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Newp...A 1926-P Buffalo Nickel. Let see if ya can guess the grade....GRADE REVEALED...That's right,

crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,055 ✭✭✭✭✭
Here's my new nickel. Thanks for looking...CHD

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  • ModCrewmanModCrewman Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭✭✭
    64 based on the photo...but probably in a 65 holder.
  • nwcoastnwcoast Posts: 2,884 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm not an expert and maybe I've just got stars in my eyes....
    But, I don't see any reason why this shouldn't be a 66image

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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coin looks close to perfect except the upper left leg/shoulder. Torn between 65/66. Killer strike.

    MS66
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  • MS64 or maybe 65

  • ...65+.........nice looking coin.
  • breakdownbreakdown Posts: 2,255 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice reverse strike. I will say 65 -- great images (as always).image

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  • RayboRaybo Posts: 5,337 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Where do you find your Buffs Joe? image

    I'll WAG of.................65+?
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  • stealerstealer Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭✭
    65
  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    66+

    images are terrible for gtg, but i've seen worse! (unless the surfaces are really that dark, then they are ok images)
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  • I would say PCGS 66. Me, 65+ poss 6 in hand.

    Eric
  • shishshish Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭✭✭
    NGC-66 image
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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,816 ✭✭✭✭✭
    very attractive 66 seems fair

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  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,055 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, nobody said 67! Am I to think now that this coin is NOT a 67? My thoughts.....The strike is amazing for the date, full details on this one. No outstanding blemishes, or shall I say no distracting blemishes to speak of. But, the luster is lacking for the grade of 67 and in my mind makes all the difference in the world. I'll not keep this one although I didn't pay much for it. I will also for now on stay clear of NGC graded coins. This is the last one I buy for a while. Thanks to all ....CHD

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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    if this date is tough to find in eds, this may be worth keeping. dies are really clean, strike is nice and you didn't pay too much.

    i'd have gone 67 instead of the 66+ if the images had shown nice luster which the holder image kinda does.

    kinda insane to expect precision grading from 2d images. so much variance. that and our grades are our opinions, same as the people that graded it.
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  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,055 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>.
    if this date is tough to find in eds, this may be worth keeping. dies are really clean, strike is nice and you didn't pay too much.

    i'd have gone 67 instead of the 66+ if the images had shown nice luster which the holder image kinda does.

    kinda insane to expect precision grading from 2d images. so much variance. that and our grades are our opinions, same as the people that graded it.
    . >>



    Good point and well taken. I might keep it, it's still kinda up in the air. I agree 2d imaging is tough to grade. The problem I'm having is I have a pcgs 66 & cac'ed....The luster on the 66 is BOOMING but the strike is lacking. So, this great strike on the NGC coin might make a BIG difference. This is the problem I'm having. Thanks a bunch for your opinion.....CHD

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  • tahoe98tahoe98 Posts: 11,388 ✭✭✭

    ...just get it beanified and folks will waffle on their opinion. image
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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If you can get a sticker on it, you'll have your answer either way. The way it sits, the market will probably accept it as a 66+, which seems fair.
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  • mkman123mkman123 Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭✭
    You would have been the last I thought that would drink the kool aid. Send it to cac and see what they say.
    If this was a pcgs coin would you have said you would steer clear of pcgs buffs? That buff is a beauty!
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  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,055 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>If you can get a sticker on it, you'll have your answer either way. The way it sits, the market will probably accept it as a 66+, which seems fair. >>



    Hmmmm, I wonder if a guy can find out some way if this coin has been submitted to CAC yet? Hmmmmm
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  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,055 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>You would have been the last I thought that would drink the kool aid. Send it to cac and see what they say.
    If this was a pcgs coin would you have said you would steer clear of pcgs buffs? That buff is a beauty! >>



    If I haven't had problems with the grading from NGC in the past I would not have said that. But it's the truth. I got this coin for a great price, but still way above the price of a MS-66 .
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  • mkman123mkman123 Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭✭
    Ask feldini what he thinks abt the buff, he is a great resource to ask. Call cac as they can tell you if the coin has been to them. If it hasn't, send it in!
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  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
    The obverse looks flawless.

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  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,055 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The obverse looks flawless. >>



    Yes, the lack of flaws is amazing, but I think the strike has carried this coin to the grade it is, is hammered.
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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>You would have been the last I thought that would drink the kool aid. Send it to cac and see what they say.
    If this was a pcgs coin would you have said you would steer clear of pcgs buffs? That buff is a beauty! >>



    You must have missed most of my posts for the past 3 years. Nothing to do with Kool Aid. Only personal observations and facts about how NGC coins have
    fallen sharply against PCGS, even the nice NGC coins. If you want that coin to stand alone, then crack it out and send it to PCGS. The only other option is to
    send it for a sticker. And even in that case the coin will still be worth 10-30% less than stickered PCGS. It if it were mind-blowing with eye appeal off the charts,
    then it could probably stand on its own as a 67. If this were a PCGS buff with no sticker? Then I wouldn't want to pay 67 money for it either. It is a beauty. But
    in the current market pricing structure it is assumed to be worth 66+ money until proven otherwise. I wish it were not this way. It's not the market we knew
    10 yrs ago. Now it's about the right holder, the right stickers, plusses, stars, and freshness. What a strange transformation has occurred over the past several years.
    Like the OP, I'd be a buyer of the coin for strong 66 money. It doesn't matter what I think about a coin, only what TPTB think. My collection over the past 25 years
    has been 80-90% NGC coins. Most of the people that talk about Koolaid typically have a ratio of 75% PCGS or higher. At least I've walked the talk.

    The obv does look 67 to me. It's the left shoulder and central reverse where I think it could be cleaner/sharper. But I'm no buff expert either....just a holder expert. image
    I think the coin looks quite like other typical NGC MS67's. In today's schizoid market, I would pretty much steer clear of all more expensive coins that were not already
    stickered. My grading doesn't always agree with CAC's. However, if you want all the money for your coins, it doesn't matter what you think, only what they think.
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  • Looks very reasonable for a 67 IMO .. it is tough to find a strike this sharp. Luster looks quite strong to me. I can't really see any significant flaw. Beautiful piece overall.
  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,055 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>You would have been the last I thought that would drink the kool aid. Send it to cac and see what they say.
    If this was a pcgs coin would you have said you would steer clear of pcgs buffs? That buff is a beauty! >>



    You must have missed most of my posts for the past 3 years. Nothing to do with Kool Aid. Only personal observations and facts about how NGC coins have
    fallen sharply against PCGS, even the nice NGC coins. If you want that coin to stand alone, then crack it out and send it to PCGS. The only other option is to
    send it for a sticker. And even in that case the coin will still be worth 10-30% less than stickered PCGS. It if it were mind-blowing with eye appeal off the charts,
    then it could probably stand on its own as a 67. If this were a PCGS buff with no sticker? Then I wouldn't want to pay 67 money for it either. It is a beauty. But
    in the current market pricing structure it is assumed to be worth 66+ money until proven otherwise. I wish it were not this way. It's not the market we knew
    10 yrs ago. Now it's about the right holder, the right stickers, plusses, stars, and freshness. What a strange transformation has occurred over the past several years.
    Like the OP, I'd be a buyer of the coin for strong 66 money. It doesn't matter what I think about a coin, only what TPTB think. My collection over the past 25 years
    has been 80-90% NGC coins. Most of the people that talk about Koolaid typically have a ratio of 75% PCGS or higher. At least I've walked the talk.

    The obv does look 67 to me. It's the left shoulder and central reverse where I think it could be cleaner/sharper. But I'm no buff expert either....just a holder expert. image
    I think the coin looks quite like other typical NGC MS67's. In today's schizoid market, I would pretty much steer clear of all more expensive coins that were not already
    stickered. My grading doesn't always agree with CAC's. However, if you want all the money for your coins, it doesn't matter what you think, only what they think. >>



    Thank you for the time you've spent on your reply, much appreciated and I agree 100%. But how about this. How about if I were just to send this coin into pcgs still in the NGC holder for a cross over? What are your thoughts about that idea?
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  • "...It's the left shoulder and central reverse where I think it could be cleaner/sharper..."

    That's what I saw, be it 66+ or...

    Eric
  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,893 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Joe, I would crack it if I were submitting it to PCGS. For a couple of reasons.

    First, PCGS is super conservative on crosses. They have to be due to surprises that are sometimes revealed after cracking. Second, there is a guarantee premium for the cross. Okay, maybe it isn't a big number but it's still real money and irksome.

    If I were worried about the coin slabbing problem-free then I wouldn't crack it and I'd pay the higher fees. In this case I think you can count on it grading.
    Lance.
  • mkman123mkman123 Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭✭
    roadrunner, the kool aid comment was for crazyhounddog not you image
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  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,055 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Side by side...

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  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think that is a nice 66 in a 67 slab.
    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
  • breakdownbreakdown Posts: 2,255 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I was conservative when I said 65 but I would not be entirely surprised if you crack it out and send it PCGS that you get a 65. I have lost 2 points on an NGC crack out before. The luster looks subdued on the NGC coin and I actually think the reverse strike is better than the obverse although both sides are well-struck.

    High grade NGCbuffalos have been hurting in the market for awhile although for many of them the problem is questionable toning -- I don't think that is an issue here.

    I have had a problem finding a 26-P for my set that I like. I have upgraded to a 66 but am not entirely happy with mine or the coin it replaced.

    Let us know how it works out.
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  • gyocomgdgyocomgd Posts: 2,582 ✭✭✭


    << <i>
    Thank you for the time you've spent on your reply, much appreciated How about if I were just to send this coin into pcgs still in the NGC holder for a cross over? What are your thoughts about that idea? >>



    I'll bet it's already been tried, and probably more than once. With that, it looks like 67 to me. Just gorgeous, and struck up to beat the band...
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  • capecape Posts: 1,621
    That 26p is a MS67 ALL DAY LONG. It doesn't hurt to send for a crossover .... try it and if this doesn't work ...... try again or sell as a pq 66+ coin.
    ed rodrigues
  • SkyManSkyMan Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They are nice i would try to cross it 1st. Send it in for a crossover.image


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  • drei3reedrei3ree Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭✭
    I'd try the cross, but wouldn't do a crack-out--too risky. The '26 is notoriously weak at the braid knots and just above--yours is as good as it gets!
  • nwcoastnwcoast Posts: 2,884 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It doesn't surprise me that this is a 67,
    I thought about guessing that right off the bat but didn't have the guts to go that far out on a limb.
    It's an insanely struck and gorgeous coin!

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  • gyocomgdgyocomgd Posts: 2,582 ✭✭✭
    One last thing, Hounddog:'Have you reduced the size of your pix lately? Your images are fantastic. Your pieces look so much better played slightly smaller like that. Well done, sir!
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  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,055 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>One last thing, Hounddog:'Have you reduced the size of your pix lately? Your images are fantastic. Your pieces look so much better played slightly smaller like that. Well done, sir! >>



    Will do bud. Thanks a bunch for your time, much appreciated....CHD
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