1965 DDO Washington Quarter FS-101......worth getting seen about? (Updated with PCGS grade)
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PCGS just blessed this with a Secure Plus AU50 grade and a neat TrueView. Thanks to Tom for letting me tag along on his submission.
Original post from here down>>>>>>>
Or is there not much interest in these?
CPG said it's a good variety but you know how that goes, it's only a good variety and worth more than 25¢ if more than 2 people think it is.
Looked on CONECA and only 1 is reported (which could mean it's tough or there's not a whole lot of interest).
Will try to get some pics up this afternoon if I can manage to get some closeups.
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(Update)
The pic is not much to be desired as I don't have the capability for nice pics. The doubling is south and not eastsoutheast like it's machine doubled counterpart (which I ran into quite a few while looking).
The story of the find:
My 85 year old grandmother passed away 2 weeks before Christmas last month. While she left 6 children and numerous grandchildren and great-grands, one particular daughter had been living with her since she was born (in 1949) due to having Cerebral Palsy from birth. They weren't a wealthy family as far as dollars go but had all the love in the world plus some. While operating a mom and pop's service station and a small side-of-the-road clothing store from the 50's-80's, my grandfather (who predeceased my grandmother in 1990) and grandmother stockpiled some extra change they had and put in the back of an old floor safe, I guess saving for a rainy day. Well, the rainy day came last month after grandma's passing and bills were piling up very high very quickly and was straining the bank account and small social security income of my aunt (the one with cerebral palsy). While going through insurance papers, the will, and whatnot, my mom found all these rolls of change that my grandad had put up 30+ years ago in that safe and back behind the safe. There was only about $60-70 face value in "junk" 90% silver coins, but boocoodles of rolls of Cents, Nickels, Dimes, and Quarters all dated 1983 and earlier. Being a coin guy, they commissioned me to go thru it to see what was valuable and such, so I looked thru it for about 5 hours last night and haven't scratched the surface yet. I went thru about $500 face value in quarters and $100 face value in Halves (hadn't cherrypicked the halves yet)....and still have lots to go thru.
I was glad to find this coin to maybe get a little more $$$ to boost the bank account of my aunt in need. Almost like my grandad is watching out for us still. They weren't "coin people" as far as being collectors (I wish they were), just frugal small business owners with alot of mouths to feed.
Upon closer inspection, this coin appears to have XF+/AU- circulation characteristics with a couple of fine pinscratch surface abrasions that are magnified horribly in my pics due to my poor photography setup (a black notebook, handheld camera, and indirect sunlight). I found this coin at about 1:30 this morning after my eyes were about crossed from looking through 2000 quarters.
Original post from here down>>>>>>>
Or is there not much interest in these?
CPG said it's a good variety but you know how that goes, it's only a good variety and worth more than 25¢ if more than 2 people think it is.
Looked on CONECA and only 1 is reported (which could mean it's tough or there's not a whole lot of interest).
Will try to get some pics up this afternoon if I can manage to get some closeups.
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(Update)
The pic is not much to be desired as I don't have the capability for nice pics. The doubling is south and not eastsoutheast like it's machine doubled counterpart (which I ran into quite a few while looking).
The story of the find:
My 85 year old grandmother passed away 2 weeks before Christmas last month. While she left 6 children and numerous grandchildren and great-grands, one particular daughter had been living with her since she was born (in 1949) due to having Cerebral Palsy from birth. They weren't a wealthy family as far as dollars go but had all the love in the world plus some. While operating a mom and pop's service station and a small side-of-the-road clothing store from the 50's-80's, my grandfather (who predeceased my grandmother in 1990) and grandmother stockpiled some extra change they had and put in the back of an old floor safe, I guess saving for a rainy day. Well, the rainy day came last month after grandma's passing and bills were piling up very high very quickly and was straining the bank account and small social security income of my aunt (the one with cerebral palsy). While going through insurance papers, the will, and whatnot, my mom found all these rolls of change that my grandad had put up 30+ years ago in that safe and back behind the safe. There was only about $60-70 face value in "junk" 90% silver coins, but boocoodles of rolls of Cents, Nickels, Dimes, and Quarters all dated 1983 and earlier. Being a coin guy, they commissioned me to go thru it to see what was valuable and such, so I looked thru it for about 5 hours last night and haven't scratched the surface yet. I went thru about $500 face value in quarters and $100 face value in Halves (hadn't cherrypicked the halves yet)....and still have lots to go thru.
I was glad to find this coin to maybe get a little more $$$ to boost the bank account of my aunt in need. Almost like my grandad is watching out for us still. They weren't "coin people" as far as being collectors (I wish they were), just frugal small business owners with alot of mouths to feed.
Upon closer inspection, this coin appears to have XF+/AU- circulation characteristics with a couple of fine pinscratch surface abrasions that are magnified horribly in my pics due to my poor photography setup (a black notebook, handheld camera, and indirect sunlight). I found this coin at about 1:30 this morning after my eyes were about crossed from looking through 2000 quarters.
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FROM MY REGISTRY SET:
1965 DDO FS-101 147196 DDO FS-101 (FS-026) 25C MS64 384.00 2 0
Congrats on locating one!
Wondercoin
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This is a nice mid-AU coin, not a MS coin. The one listed on CONECA was listed as grading VF20.
I assume PCGS recognizes this variety?
Wondercoin- Is that "384.00" in that code what the price guide valuation is in MS64?
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<< <i>This is a nice mid-AU coin, not a MS coin. The one listed on CONECA was listed as grading VF20.
I assume PCGS recognizes this variety?
Wondercoin- Is that "384.00" in that code what the price guide valuation is in MS64? >>
384.00 os the registry weight. Not a price.
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<< <i>The "384" is the point total assigned to the coin. The coin is valued at $1,500 in MS64 according to the Price Guide. I personally think J. Hernandez is right on the money with that Price Guide value by the way.... at least if a dealer/collector buy price at around 80% of that level supports the listed price?
Wondercoin >>
Price guide valuations are based upon reported sales information. This AU-53 seems to have gotten passed over but this
AU-55 made the list.
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<< <i>The "384" is the point total assigned to the coin. The coin is valued at $1,500 in MS64 according to the Price Guide. I personally think J. Hernandez is right on the money with that Price Guide value by the way.... at least if a dealer/collector buy price at around 80% of that level supports the listed price?
Wondercoin >>
Price guide valuations are based upon reported sales information. This AU-53 seems to have gotten passed over but this
AU-55 made the list. >>
The AU55 was my coin-sold in the 2012 FUN auction along with around 20 other major d die Washington 25c. The 1965 1-O-IV is a VERY worthwhile variety.
but all that are will essentially be "condition census" because they don't exist in uncirculated
grades for the main part.
The point mostly is to not let it go cheap just because it's low grade since it will be considered
very high grade in the long run.
<< <i>The "384" is the point total assigned to the coin. The coin is valued at $1,500 in MS64 according to the Price Guide. I personally think J. Hernandez is right on the money with that Price Guide value by the way.... at least if a dealer/collector buy price at around 80% of that level supports the listed price?
Wondercoin >>
It is always hard to put a price on some of the Varieties. They are worth what someone will pay for them.
My Washington Quarter (1932-1964)variety set is close to 80% completed and more than half of the varieties that i have, do not have a PCGS price listed.
I would certainly get the 65 DDO FS-101 graded.
<< <i>Most all of the strong copper-nickel doubled dies in this series are of considerable rarity. The only one that's found with any regularity is the 1967 SMS DDO and the 1970-D DDR 1 & 2. >>
<< <i>I would certainly get the 65 DDO FS-101 graded. >>
I agree with the above two posts. This coin is definitely worth slabbing, and if I didn't already have one, I would be interested in buying this one.
And if anyone has a 1966 DDR, or either of the two 1970-D DDO's, or the 1971 DDO for sale, I am interested!
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<< <i>Most all of the strong copper-nickel doubled dies in this series are of considerable rarity. The only one that's found with any regularity is the 1967 SMS DDO and the 1970-D DDR 1 & 2. >>
Unfortunately, multiple "different" DDR's can be found in 1970 US Mints sets and a good portion are misattributed as DDR-001 based upon the photograph in the CPG which is incorrect. The coin in the CPG is actually DDR-004.
As for the OP's coin, between $500 and $600 could be expected although more is possible given the grade and the rarity.
Speaking if which, as cladking stated, finding these in MS is all luck since attrition has claimed quite a few due to the metal composition AND they weren't available in US Mint Sets like the 1970's are.
I see that Mitch has an MS64 and given the fact that this MS64 does exist, seriously dampens the prospects for an XF-AU coin. Big money collectors may just hold out for an MS example to show up.
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Good points Lee.
Wondercoin
Nice cherrypick! I wouldn't have recognized it, maybe even with that dramatic doubling. I'm not an error/variety guy by any means, but that's supercool!
WTG, Wes!
This will go to our host for grading/attribution and hopefully will find a good home in a Registry set.
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<< <i>If your coin is equal to or better than the one in my set, I am interested for sure! Not sure about CONECA showing -1- when there are (2) coins already in just the pop top grade at PCGS?
FROM MY REGISTRY SET:
1965 DDO FS-101 147196 DDO FS-101 (FS-026) 25C MS64 384.00 2 0
Congrats on locating one!
Wondercoin >>
CONECA's numbers are based upon the coins that "they've seen", not what populations might be out there.
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Thanks, Bob.
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<< <i>Nice pick and story >>
Couldn't agree more, and makes this a testament to the validity of modern cherrypicking. It's definitely worth the trouble to take an extra look at these earlier dates.
Congrats and good job by the way!
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write on the plastic submission FLIP
itself something like "Doubled Die Obv."
and the FS or Coneca number...........
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<< <i>The "384" is the point total assigned to the coin. The coin is valued at $1,500 in MS64 according to the Price Guide. I personally think J. Hernandez is right on the money with that Price Guide value by the way.... at least if a dealer/collector buy price at around 80% of that level supports the listed price?
Wondercoin >>
Price guide valuations are based upon reported sales information. This AU-53 seems to have gotten passed over but this
AU-55 made the list. >>
That was my coin. Did OK but I thought it might do a little bit better with the original paperwork. It was part of my collection of all the "big" doubled dies in the series that was sold in the 2012 fun SHOW.
<< <i>If you submit it to PCGS, you should
write on the plastic submission FLIP
itself something like "Doubled Die Obv."
and the FS or Coneca number........... >>
The package was logged in this morning. On the flips they only wanted the submission number and line number for the coin. Now in the Variety box I filled that out to show DDO FS101(026) Hopefully that is the right info for them. I know my last submission I included a 1964 ddr 801 and it came back without, when I called I was told there expert said it was not so they did not charge me the 24 bucks. Now I am sending both those to JT Stanton to take a look for me. I can only hope that pcgs graders know to look for that just by filling the form out where they show Variety. 40 working days and will find out. Enjoy
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Link to My Registry Set.
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-specialty-sets/washington-quarters-complete-variety-set-circulation-strikes-1932-1964/publishedset/78469
Varieties Are The Spice Of LIFE and Thanks to Those who teach us what to search For.
There will be very few graded higher.
More than half of them are gone forever and the rest are in low grade waiting to be lost or destroyed enmass.
<< <i>If your coin is equal to or better than the one in my set, I am interested for sure! Not sure about CONECA showing -1- when there are (2) coins already in just the pop top grade at PCGS?
FROM MY REGISTRY SET:
1965 DDO FS-101 147196 DDO FS-101 (FS-026) 25C MS64 384.00 2 0
Congrats on locating one!
Wondercoin >>
384 huh?
It's funny that this coin with a population total of 14 (ANACS-9 and PCGS-5) has a registry weight of 6.00 while the 70-D DDO FS-101 which has a population of 7 (ANACS-5 and PCGS-2) only has a registry weight of 5.00.
I wonder why that is?
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<< <i>If you submit it to PCGS, you should
write on the plastic submission FLIP
itself something like "Doubled Die Obv."
and the FS or Coneca number........... >>
The package was logged in this morning. On the flips they only wanted the submission number and line number for the coin. Now in the Variety box I filled that out to show DDO FS101(026) Hopefully that is the right info for them. I know my last submission I included a 1964 ddr 801 and it came back without, when I called I was told there expert said it was not so they did not charge me the 24 bucks. Now I am sending both those to JT Stanton to take a look for me. I can only hope that pcgs graders know to look for that just by filling the form out where they show Variety. 40 working days and will find out. Enjoy
Instead of JT you should send the coin to James Wiles or a CONECA Representative. CONECA keeps detailed photo's of specific die varieties whereas JT may not. I do know that the photo in the CPG for the 1970-D DDR FS-801 is incorrect and due to that, the coin is "commonly" misdattributed by PCGS.
As for not getting charged the $24.00, you did well since usually, if the coin doesn't attribute, they keep your $24.00!
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submission flip was just in case you
didn't check off the Varieity Box.
If you did that, you don't need to
do what I suggested!
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Collect the no mint mark years for different reasons.The thing is I know nothing about spotting ddo's The coins in the Zip lock are circulated bu's,n the tube uncirculated. Any key things to look for? Any pointers? They are all 65's
Thanks
Great history and story too...
It's a great thing to be able to help a family in need with a specilized knowledge of this kind!
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Nice photography as well.
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Link to My Registry Set.
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-specialty-sets/washington-quarters-complete-variety-set-circulation-strikes-1932-1964/publishedset/78469
Varieties Are The Spice Of LIFE and Thanks to Those who teach us what to search For.
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<< <i>Thanks Tommy. I have $1000 worth of Opthomologist bills now from looking at over 2800 quarters in 2 days through a 10X loupe, but it's worth it. >>
Damn right it is Wes!
Given the metal content and over all quality of the early copper nickel clad quarters, many really cool varieties have been lost forever. Picking them out while there are still some to be picked is a worthy goal.
BTW, I like how that Trueview came out.
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Pretty sure this might be one aswell:) what do you all think?? I'm new to collecting so any help is appreciated
@DuRbLIFe214 Your coin is nothing special. It is worth face value, 25 cents.
If you don't like that answer, then point to SPECIFIC things in your pictures that you would like other people to look at. If your coin doesn't have features that EXACTLY match the picture in the original post (you can open the TrueView image in a new window to see it larger), then yours is not the same and does not have the same value.
Your coin is not the doubled die variety, DuRbLIFe214. You can go here- http://www.varietyvista.com/ to check on most any 20th century doubled dies.
I used to have the variety in a PCGS AU53 slab. It's a tough one to find.
Thanks for the info... I thought it was darn it heres better quality of the pics. The other pics were really bad.. Should have figured it wasnt special, Well mabey next time it wont just be a quarter worth only a quarter. Thanks again
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@DuRbLIFe214.... Welcome aboard.... Definitely not the DDO.... And the second set of pictures are better, but still need to be improved on lighting and focus. Good luck in your searches. Cheers, RickO