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Where is the wear on this barber dime?

This came back as Au-55 from PCGS. I thought for sure it would make MS Grade.

I'm not the best at grading barbers, so I was wondering if someone could point out where the wear is at.

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  • guitarwesguitarwes Posts: 9,290 ✭✭✭
    Cap, Cheek, Neck, Head wreath.....??
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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,749 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Cap, Cheek, Neck, Head wreath.....?? >>



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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,820 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Her cheekbone is rubbed for sure, and the spot on her neck is probably something more than just toning or discoloration.
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  • ambro51ambro51 Posts: 13,949 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It looks like it may appear "pretty dull" rotated under a light. Maybe more a general surface grade than wear.
  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,697 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Cap, Cheek, Neck, Head wreath.....?? >>



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  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    there is AU58 type friction all over the highpoints, and the issue with the area at the back of the neck, is that a J shaped scratch and an attempt to buff it?

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  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,733 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice repunched date, I think that one is listed in the CPG. Did you get it attributed on the holder?


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  • Thanks for the opinion everyone.

    Now...

    Would you keep it, or sell it?
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  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Assuming the toning discoloration back of neck is not too much a worry (something odd there), Superb Gem AU. I've seen many worse in 63 and even 64 holders. If it were a Bust 50c it would bring $2000 slabbed 58.

    If no serious neck problem it's a gold bean, even if just mine. MS60 bid is $80, I'd pay $100. Oreville would hunt me down and bawl me out if I sold it to CRO first. image
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  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>there is AU58 type friction all over the highpoints, and the issue with the area at the back of the neck, is that a J shaped scratch and an attempt to buff it? >>



    image that J is the eye catcher to me.
  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,858 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Where oh where is the wear? Sorry - couldn't resist. image

    "I thought for sure it would make MS......" and sending a coin in for grading really don't go together. I've been surprised both directions, but mostly in the one that doesn't favor me. image

    I like the overall look of the coin, but the J and the area around the J is a bit of a problem. Of course on a dime that would be miniscule. I think it would be a very marketable coin in a 55 holder.
  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Definitely an AU coin and 55 is right because of the "J" or it would be 58.

    Is it for sale?
  • shorecollshorecoll Posts: 5,447 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The problems with a picture of a dime the size of a dinner plate. That "J" looks thumbed to me, I'm not sure I would notice it in hand, but the wear on the wreath is definite.
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  • Not for sale. I just asked because I wanted the opinion of another collectors "desirability".

    This is more a "true to size" pic of the dime.
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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just asking because I collect varieties of all dimes. Yours is a RPD although not one that is in CPD so PCGS would not attribute it. But I do collect non PCGS varieties. If you change your mind keep me in mind.

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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,615 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If it's got too much wear, I'd proudly wear it. It's got the LQQK. . . I'd put a gold star, and a gold CAC sticker on it. Have no clue if JA would, but it really is sweet to my eye.

    A real plus for "eye appeal" and "strike detail" though the luster is subdued by the toning, the toning makes it outstanding.
  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I can't figure out how, if it's actually damaged, it would grade at all. image

    Or understand why, if the damage is there, anyone here would think a "net grade" would be assigned. image

    Or not caution, despite our host's imprimatur, against it being allowed into the hands of an unsuspecting public. image

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  • << <i>Cap, Cheek, Neck, Head wreath.....?? >>

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  • MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭
    Personally, I was distracted by the beautiful toning and
    thought the coin was nicer than the grade posted. It has rub
    in all the places aforementioned, but it shouldn't be just dismissed
    as just another 55. Its extemely attractive and worthy of inclusion
    in a toned date set image

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  • CoinRaritiesOnlineCoinRaritiesOnline Posts: 3,681 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Oreville would hunt me down and bawl me out if I sold it to CRO first. image >>



    That could be true. Though of course I would pay more.
  • Sometimes, to see this type of rub, holding the coin at 90 degrees to a white bit of paper, almost like looking for inches of depth on a DMPL but looking at the coin instead of the ruler, can reveal these light areas of slight wear/rub. Hope this helps.

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  • MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭

    Ok, three guesses whose collection this great looking
    Barber Dime is going into ? It's scheduled (for the time
    being, anyway ) for the MS Date Set.

    Don't worry, I paid dearly for it. Very strong AU 58 money.
    You don't see Dimes as beautifully toned like this one every day.

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  • Jinx86Jinx86 Posts: 3,710 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice toned pieces, RPD?...8/8. I havent checked cherry pickers.
  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    and the vultures descend at the BST, er, USCoin forum!!imageimage
  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,887 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's one helluva nice slider, fer sure.

    Would've fooled me into thinking possible MS, too.

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  • MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>and the vultures descend at the BST, er, USCoin forum!!imageimage >>



    It was never on the BST - I picked it up on eBay at auction. Paid MS 63 money for it too.

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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Assuming the toning discoloration back of neck is not too much a worry (something odd there), Superb Gem AU. I've seen many worse in 63 and even 64 holders. If it were a Bust 50c it would bring $2000 slabbed 58.

    If no serious neck problem it's a gold bean, even if just mine. MS60 bid is $80, I'd pay $100. Oreville would hunt me down and bawl me out if I sold it to CRO first. image >>



    I agree with the Colonel. I see any rub on this as extremely superficial. The luster seems intact in the fields and that's usually the key for a 61 grade. Not all the high pts
    show wear...certainly not the forelock from what I can see. Could be net graded down for overall look (ie dullish luster?) or a question of NT vs. AT. It sure isn't an AU55.
    They did you a favor. Now you have a gold bean candidate that's worth more than a MS61. image

    The rims are even, somewhat rough looking, toned, and look like they have luster on them....typical of a MS coins. AU55's rarely look like that. The reverse doesn't seem to show
    any high pt rub on leaves, wreath, corn, knot, lettering, etc. A bust half looking like this would grade MS64 as long as the field luster was full. Full field luster with no breaks along
    with full rim luster...is a mint state coin....regardless of superficial high point discoloration. Looks a bit muddily struck, esp on the obverse, giving all those flattish areas the look of
    wear, especially with a dose of deeper oxidation.
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