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Toned Buff... Opinions sought.. AT or NT?

nwcoastnwcoast Posts: 2,906 ✭✭✭✭✭
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In looking over some of my purchases from last year, I'm left wondering about this Buffalo..
In hand it's got some pretty wild color and is more flashy than any of my other toned Buffalos. This is especially evident when gazing at my Dansco.
What do ya think panel? Did I make a mistake on this one?
Any guesses on the grade- providing it qualified for one....
Thank you...
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    UtahCoinUtahCoin Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks NT to me...
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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Looks NT to me... >>


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    MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777 ✭
    My gut says album toned, and pretty. I will let buff collectors venture on the grade, but it looks nicely uncirculated to me..
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    TonedloverTonedlover Posts: 142
    I agree - NT!
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    etexmikeetexmike Posts: 6,852 ✭✭✭
    Looks okay to me.


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    FrankcoinsFrankcoins Posts: 4,575 ✭✭✭
    My guess -- dipped and scrubbed bright with baking soda and then spent 30 years in an album.
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I tend to agree with Frank..... Certainly aged tarnish, but likely as a result of a long ago cleaning or poorly rinsed dip. Cheers, RickO
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    nwcoastnwcoast Posts: 2,906 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>My guess -- dipped and scrubbed bright with baking soda and then spent 30 years in an album. >>



    Ouch!!!
    So likely would come back 92'd if graded..... Guess i should keep it in the Danscoimage

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    telephoto1telephoto1 Posts: 4,966 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I tend to agree with the sentiment that the toning is natural, but the surfaces aren't.

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    milkcoinmilkcoin Posts: 583 ✭


    << <i>In looking over some of my purchases from last year, I'm left wondering about this Buffalo..
    In hand it's got some pretty wild color and is more flashy than any of my other toned Buffalos. This is especially evident when gazing at my Dansco.
    What do ya think panel? Did I make a mistake on this one?
    Any guesses on the grade- providing it qualified for one....
    Thank you...
    image >>



    either way, i see pockets of color in some places and to me that is good! Nice coin
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    ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
    It's 50/50.

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    coinkatcoinkat Posts: 24,607 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What Frankcoins wrote- that about sums it up

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    breakdownbreakdown Posts: 2,410 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've cracked out an NGC-graded buffalo a few years ago that was in the ballpark of this coin's toning (with some but not as much haze). Came back questionable toning. FWIW.

    I would wait for Cape to weigh in. He will have a good opinion.

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    AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 25,054 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'd say somebody AT'd a cleaned coin.

    bob
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    milkcoinmilkcoin Posts: 583 ✭
    friends, what do we think said coin posted above would grade?
    i'd say clear shot at 65 by our host.
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    Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 10,113 ✭✭✭✭✭
    NT unless a TPG says otherwise.
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    ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>My guess -- dipped and scrubbed bright with baking soda and then spent 30 years in an album. >>

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    roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,374 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I'd say somebody AT'd a cleaned coin.

    bob >>




    Sort of looks that way to me too. Looks like it has signs of slight circulation/wear and/or possible scrubbing. Toning added to gloss over all that.
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    capecape Posts: 1,621 ✭
    market acceptable ..... but at best a 63+ I believe the toning from the image is real if you are around bring the coin to table 203 at fun and I can see it in hand and then evaluate this buff .
    ed rodrigues
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    sniocsusniocsu Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭
    NT
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    lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,895 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Cleaned, and retoned over a long time is my opinion too. And possibly MA and gradable. Worth a shot...or two or three.
    Lance.
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    nwcoastnwcoast Posts: 2,906 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>market acceptable ..... but at best a 63+ I believe the toning from the image is real if you are around bring the coin to table 203 at fun and I can see it in hand and then evaluate this buff . >>



    Thank you for the kind invitation and offer. If I was on the east coast then I likely would go for it!
    Thank you all for your intelligent input. Looking at the coin in hand now, I'm inclined to think that iit may indeed be toned over an old cleaning... It's still a lovely coin though and has an iridescence that doesn't come through in the photos. It's pretty flashy and has a different color profile than my other toners and that's what got me worried...

    Thanks again and maybe I'll just have to submit this one, as suggested, for the final word.

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    coinguy1989coinguy1989 Posts: 1,056 ✭✭
    The toning is natural or at least market acceptable, but the coin does look like it was cleaned in the past.
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    crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,268 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Unless you can see "Hairlines" which I don't see in your image, I would not say wiped. If it's was dipped that's another story. The toning looks fine,"album toning" would be my guess. I would send it in and find out, it's worth a shot. As far as the grade I would guess 63-64.... Luster plays a huge part as the strike looks par for the 1919, a tad weak....CHD
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