how to slab clemente signed card? Updated 22Jan - Questionable!

alifaxwa2

Update 22Jan
Came back questionable

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My dad wants to slab his 1961 topps clemente autographed card, but we are trying to decide how to do it with regards to qualifiers. Its for his PC, but we can't completely ignore possible resale value.
The Front centering is about 10/90 T:B. That limits the grade to a 2 supposedly. But, other than centering, conditionally, the card is probably a 4-5. So, the way I see it, here are the possibilities;
5OC
4OC
2
RedFlip Authentic.

Thoughts?

GR

One rout you may want to go is auto grade only, thats a 9 or 10 autograph strength when most Clemente signed cards barely have any ink left over...just another thought!

Foo3112

Very strong looking auto and since it would be graded authentic, I'm sure most collectors realize that lots of cards weren't being reproduced until the 80's and forward meaning he had to have signed it before 1973. Also, if one was going to reproduce this card, Im sure they wouldn't make it OC. Blue PSA DNA Flip is the route I would take. Getting it authenticated along with a score can hurt your chances when it comes to resale value.

hhmag70

RedFlip Authentic

lostdart58

The signature is what creates the value here...........the card being off-centered will not affect the value much....The card presents well otherwise. ( not a beater!)

YogiBerraFan

It is obvious to anyone that collects that the card is authentic. That is a very strong Clemente auto. Blue flip with auto grade.

alifaxwa2

Thanks for the comments. I understand the points about blue flip with grade being better, but I know he isn't going to want to spend the $200 it costs to do that.

Dboneesq

<< <i>Thanks for the comments. I understand the points about blue flip with grade being better, but I know he isn't going to want to spend the $200 it costs to do that. >>


Well what is it going to cost to get it in a Red Flip? It surely will not fit into any of the Specials, so don't you have to pay the listed fee for a Clemente? That's $150.00 plus shipping and ins ... close to the $200 you mentioned.

Edited to add: BTW ... that's an AWESOME looking signature! I am usually one to shy away from the Blue Flip on authentic cards, but I have to agree with some of the others ... that signature is a "9" or "10" and I think the value is in the signature ... it does not matter WHAT the signature is on ... I'd go BLUE FLIP for the higher potential sale.

Ironmanfan

how did he get this item?

IMF

alifaxwa2

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<< <i>Thanks for the comments. I understand the points about blue flip with grade being better, but I know he isn't going to want to spend the $200 it costs to do that. >>


Well what is it going to cost to get it in a Red Flip? It surely will not fit into any of the Specials, so don't you have to pay the listed fee for a Clemente? That's $150.00 plus shipping and ins ... close to the $200 you mentioned.

Edited to add: BTW ... that's an AWESOME looking signature! I am usually one to shy away from the Blue Flip on authentic cards, but I have to agree with some of the others ... that signature is a "9" or "10" and I think the value is in the signature ... it does not matter WHAT the signature is on ... I'd go BLUE FLIP for the higher potential sale. >>


Based on my reading of the fee page, it would be $35 for Express service.

alifaxwa2

<< <i>how did he get this item?

IMF >>


Bought at a show in the 90s

CSC

<< <i>Thanks for the comments. I understand the points about blue flip with grade being better, but I know he isn't going to want to spend the $200 it costs to do that. >>



Not sure what Spence charges via SGC or Beckett, but an alternative.

yankeeno7

Spence is 100.00 for Clemente authentication, Im quite sure.

Advantage of Red Flip Authentic - person will know the card is original and unaltered. For some, that is important.

Advantage of Blue Flip w/auto grade - Very strong auto and the auto grade should be high.

I dont think you can go wrong with either route. The card has great eye appeal even being OC because it has excellent registration and no big creases. Overall, its a real beauty.

thenavarro

Red Flip authentic on that one. I think the dark background card would hurt your autograph grade with a blue flip, and as you mention, red flip will be much cheaper to have done then blue

Mike

Dboneesq

Jeff and Mike,

I guess I am real confused on the pricing (I have only sent autographed cards in on the Specials). Are you saying that they will authenticate and slab a $3,000.00+ card for $35.00? I thought you had to look up the individual on their chart to see what they charge for that auto. Looks like $150.00 for Clemente. What am I missing?

Thanks guys.

leathtech

<< <i>Red Flip authentic on that one. I think the dark background card would hurt your autograph grade with a blue flip, and as you mention, red flip will be much cheaper to have done then blue

Mike >>



I agree with Mike this would be your most cost effective way to go... Personally I think low grades take away from the card and signature. If you ever need to sell you could always send it in for the blue flip auto grade but for a personal collection red flip is a solid pick.

churchiscool

red flip authentic, would only cost $35-$50. i had foxx card done the same way, would've cost at least double going through psa/dna.

alifaxwa2

<< <i>Jeff and Mike,

I guess I am real confused on the pricing (I have only sent autographed cards in on the Specials). Are you saying that they will authenticate and slab a $3,000.00+ card for $35.00? I thought you had to look up the individual on their chart to see what they charge for that auto. Looks like $150.00 for Clemente. What am I missing?

Thanks guys. >>



Based on PSA's SMR a Clemente signed card is worth $1000. If you check out the standard PSA fee chart; http://www.psacard.com/fees/index.html, you see that under Express the footnote marked 2 and the declared value statement under it. High value cards for Red Flip go under any service that matches its value level since the standard $25 service of "AUTOGRAPHED CARD GRADING & AUTHENTICATION" is capped at $500 value.

Albertdidit

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<< <i>how did he get this item?

IMF >>


Bought at a show in the 90s >>



That has me thinking more along the lines of Red Flags as opposed to Red Flips

alifaxwa2

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<< <i>how did he get this item?

IMF >>


Bought at a show in the 90s >>



That has me thinking more along the lines of Red Flags as opposed to Red Flips >>


hence the reason we are sending it in

otwcards

Two options that make the most sense...

1. PSA/DNA Red Flip - AUTHENTIC (removes the card grade) and allows for use on the PSA Registry for an autographed set or player set
2. PSA/DNA Red Flip - Grade for card (my guess would be that the card would grade a straight PSA 5 with the authenticated autograph)

I think either would garner about the same return, but the grade allows those using it for registry purposes to get little more Registry value for the PSA 5 versus the PSA 1 scoring for AUTHENTIC. I've found the grades on PSA/DNA cards to be a tad bit more lenient that unsigned cards.

A Blue Flip would probably pull a PSA 8 for the signature and that would not add much more value than an AUTHENTIC Red Flip...

BPorter26

Jeff..... Regardless which way you go on the blue/red flip that's an awesome auto of the greatest Pirate ever

alifaxwa2

Bummed to report that it came back N4; Questionable Authenticity.

Dboneesq

<< <i>Bummed to report that it came back N4; Questionable Authenticity. >>


Too bad Jeff ... that really sucks. Going to try Spence?

alifaxwa2

That's gonna be up to my dad. Not sure if he will want to risk $100 more. I hope so though.

handyman

Too bad!
Where and when did yall get this item?

alifaxwa2

<< <i>Too bad!
Where and when did yall get this item? >>


Card show, early 90s.

churchiscool

you should make better scans and post them on the n54 autograph side. a few members there i would trust their opinions over spence, and the opinion is free! if you want to know if it's authentic, ask n54...of course if you're looking to sell you will need a JSA or psa/dna cert.

brianwintersfan

You know when you first posted it I was going to say that all that depended on if it was legit or not, but I didn't want to rain on your parade. They could be wrong or your dad got taken. Either way it sucks.

alifaxwa2

<< <i>You know when you first posted it I was going to say that all that depended on if it was legit or not, but I didn't want to rain on your parade. >>


Well, yea, Duh. But I have to make that decision before I send it in.

brianwintersfan

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<< <i>You know when you first posted it I was going to say that all that depended on if it was legit or not, but I didn't want to rain on your parade. >>


Well, yea, Duh. But I have to make that decision before I send it in. >>



Well I guess I was going to post that because of everybody else who was giving their expert opinion that it was good. Basically it's flip a coin when submitting things like that. I mean people have gotten things signed in person that the experts have then deemed fake.

Morgoth

Would really be interested in buying if JSA comes back authentic.

alifaxwa2

<< <i>Would really be interested in buying if JSA comes back authentic. >>


It happens more than u think. I had PSA fail a bunch of stuff that was real, that JSA passed later.
Not bashing PSA, I am sure it would happen the other direction too but all my stuff goes to PSA first.