JrThurmer- I have the set done and on the PSa Registry. I thought I was the only "crazy" willing to do this set. It's great to meet a "fellow patient". I still need 2 cards for the SOTT set, so if you have any dupes, please PM me.
This realization isn't on the level of the cause of the Topps Frank Thomas NNOF, but I figured out the cause of the ink on the back of the Webster cards. I have two of them, and the spot of ink is on the same place on each card on the back, left side. I think he was signing them, then stacking them on top of each other. It makes sense that the very last letter wasn't quite dry, and then marked the back of the next card.
I have a Dorsett autograph and the upper right corner has a slight ding.
Jrthurmer, are you the one who always outbids me on auctions for redemption cards when they come up?! The redemptions used to sell in the single digits if at all. I should have picked them up then, because now they sell as well as, or better than some of the autographs. Have you picked up the different variations in the set? The 2008, and 2009 updates don't show up on ebay much. While the cards from the 1997 set still show up with some regularity for a set that is 16 years old, they don't come up as much as they did 10 years ago. I don't think it's due to lack of interest, but maybe more are ending up in collections? That's my perception anyway.
I like the college football and hockey sets too. At the moment I've only picked up autographs of players I like, rather than go for the whole thing. I prefer college football to pro football, but it's understandable that the college set doesn't seem to be as popular as the original 1997 pro set. The hockey and college sets were well done, with the great photography, showing the game and how it used to look (no ads on the boards for many of the hockey cards, players without helmets). One of the fun things about putting together the 1997 set was the mystery of who was in the set, and determining the SPs and SSPs. Upper Deck took away some of the mystery with the college set by releasing short print information for the set.
How many redemptions do you have and which ones? I have another friend who has the absolute best 1997 legends set grade wise that is collecting the redemptions as well. Only reason I started was because I bought 6 packs of legends and pulled the Billy "white shoes" Johnson redemption. I then found a guy selling off some of the SP's who had the Trumpy and this is the same guy I got my Dorsett from that graded BGS 9. When did upper deck release the SPs. I know they lumped them into A, B, C, D, E did they release a print run?
These Are all Group A
Aaron Rodgers Adrian Peterson Dan Marino Drew Brees Jerry Rice John Elway Ken Stabler Rod Woodson Troy Aikman Warren Moon
These are all Group B
A.J. Green Archie Griffin Barry Sanders Bernie Kosar Blaine Gabbert Bob Griese Doug Flutie Earl Campbell Eddie George Jim Kelly Jim McMahon Julio Jones Mark Ingram Steve Young Steven Jackson Thurman Thomas Tim Brown Tony Dorsett
However Ive seen more of some of the group A autos than some of the Group B autos.
I have not done the update set for the football from the ultimate. Ive bought a few here and there and have ended up selling them.
Group A: Combine to fall 1:1,087 packs Aaron Rodgers Adrian Peterson Dan Marino Drew Brees Jerry Rice John Elway Ken Stabler Rod Woodson Troy Aikman Warren Moon
Group B: Combine to fall 1:252 packs A.J. Green Archie Griffin Barry Sanders Bernie Kosar Blaine Gabbert Bob Griese Doug Flutie Earl Campbell Eddie George Jim Kelly Jim McMahon Julio Jones Mark Ingram Steve Young Steven Jackson Thurman Thomas Tim Brown Tony Dorsett
Group C: Combine to fall 1:72 packs Andre Ware Billy Cannon Bo Jackson Cam Newton Chris Spielman Christian Ponder Cris Carter Danny Wuerffel Daryle Lamonica Dave Casper Dwight Stephenson Eric Metcalf Gale Sayers Gary Beban Gino Torretta Herschel Walker Jake Locker Johnny Rodgers Kellen Winslow Sr. Mike Singletary Ozzie Newsome Ryan Mallett Todd Marinovich Tony Mandarich Ty Detmer
Group Combine to fall 1:33 packs Andy Dalton Anthony Carter Antonio Freeman Billy Sims Brian Bosworth Charles White Colin Kaepernick Daniel Thomas Herman Moore Joe Theismann Kendall Hunter Paul Hornung Raghib Ismail Ron Dayne Ronald Johnson Willie Buchanon
Group E: Combine to fall 1:11 packs Alan Page Craig Morton Daryl Johnston DeMarco Murray Floyd Little George Rogers Greg Little Greg Pruitt Jason White John Cappelletti Keith Jackson Lee Roy Jordan Leonard Hankerson Mike Alstott Noel Devine Pat Devlin Prince Amukamara Rocky Bleier Roger Craig Roman Gabriel Ron Yary Steve Owens Titus Young Tom Rathman Tommy McDonald Tony Casillas William Perry
I agree with you that some of the "A" class shows up more frequently than others, same as the "B" class. For example, I didn't know Eddie George was in the set until I saw it on the SP list. I did end up seeing one on ebay. The cards aren't always listed with consistent titles. That can happen with any set, but these seem prone to confusion.
I was tempted to do the 2011 college set, but unlike Futureman, I prefer pro football to college. Plus, when I saw how pricey some of the cards were, I didn't want to accept the challenge. I've even decided to stop my SP Authentic graded set run because Upper Deck lost it's NFL license. I'll pick up some key RC's from SP Authentic, but that's all.
I don't have many of the 97 redemption cards. I mailed them most of them in. Boy was I disappointed when they sent replacement cards.
I've been doing the Ultimate Collection updates only because Upper Deck continued the numbering on them from the original 97 Legends set. On the PSA registry, those are listed as separate sets though.
Keep the info and pics coming guys. The cards look great!
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Just got this in.
Here is a link to my College Legends a work in Progress
I am getting closer I think I am around 70 BGS 9.5 with 10 Autos
http://s1161.photobucket.com/albums/q510/terrythurmer/PC/2011 Upper Deck College Legends Autographs/
Why does BGS call the Hockey 1997 Legends Autographs?
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I have a Dorsett autograph and the upper right corner has a slight ding.
Jrthurmer, are you the one who always outbids me on auctions for redemption cards when they come up?! The redemptions used to sell in the single digits if at all. I should have picked them up then, because now they sell as well as, or better than some of the autographs. Have you picked up the different variations in the set? The 2008, and 2009 updates don't show up on ebay much. While the cards from the 1997 set still show up with some regularity for a set that is 16 years old, they don't come up as much as they did 10 years ago. I don't think it's due to lack of interest, but maybe more are ending up in collections? That's my perception anyway.
I like the college football and hockey sets too. At the moment I've only picked up autographs of players I like, rather than go for the whole thing. I prefer college football to pro football, but it's understandable that the college set doesn't seem to be as popular as the original 1997 pro set. The hockey and college sets were well done, with the great photography, showing the game and how it used to look (no ads on the boards for many of the hockey cards, players without helmets). One of the fun things about putting together the 1997 set was the mystery of who was in the set, and determining the SPs and SSPs. Upper Deck took away some of the mystery with the college set by releasing short print information for the set.
These Are all Group A
Aaron Rodgers
Adrian Peterson
Dan Marino
Drew Brees
Jerry Rice
John Elway
Ken Stabler
Rod Woodson
Troy Aikman
Warren Moon
These are all Group B
A.J. Green
Archie Griffin
Barry Sanders
Bernie Kosar
Blaine Gabbert
Bob Griese
Doug Flutie
Earl Campbell
Eddie George
Jim Kelly
Jim McMahon
Julio Jones
Mark Ingram
Steve Young
Steven Jackson
Thurman Thomas
Tim Brown
Tony Dorsett
However Ive seen more of some of the group A autos than some of the Group B autos.
I have not done the update set for the football from the ultimate. Ive bought a few here and there and have ended up selling them.
I linked the short print info in my previous post, here is the url: http://upperdeckblog.com/2012/06/upper-deck-releases-short-print-information-on-2011-legends-football-autographs/
Group A: Combine to fall 1:1,087 packs
Aaron Rodgers
Adrian Peterson
Dan Marino
Drew Brees
Jerry Rice
John Elway
Ken Stabler
Rod Woodson
Troy Aikman
Warren Moon
Group B: Combine to fall 1:252 packs
A.J. Green
Archie Griffin
Barry Sanders
Bernie Kosar
Blaine Gabbert
Bob Griese
Doug Flutie
Earl Campbell
Eddie George
Jim Kelly
Jim McMahon
Julio Jones
Mark Ingram
Steve Young
Steven Jackson
Thurman Thomas
Tim Brown
Tony Dorsett
Group C: Combine to fall 1:72 packs
Andre Ware
Billy Cannon
Bo Jackson
Cam Newton
Chris Spielman
Christian Ponder
Cris Carter
Danny Wuerffel
Daryle Lamonica
Dave Casper
Dwight Stephenson
Eric Metcalf
Gale Sayers
Gary Beban
Gino Torretta
Herschel Walker
Jake Locker
Johnny Rodgers
Kellen Winslow Sr.
Mike Singletary
Ozzie Newsome
Ryan Mallett
Todd Marinovich
Tony Mandarich
Ty Detmer
Group
Andy Dalton
Anthony Carter
Antonio Freeman
Billy Sims
Brian Bosworth
Charles White
Colin Kaepernick
Daniel Thomas
Herman Moore
Joe Theismann
Kendall Hunter
Paul Hornung
Raghib Ismail
Ron Dayne
Ronald Johnson
Willie Buchanon
Group E: Combine to fall 1:11 packs
Alan Page
Craig Morton
Daryl Johnston
DeMarco Murray
Floyd Little
George Rogers
Greg Little
Greg Pruitt
Jason White
John Cappelletti
Keith Jackson
Lee Roy Jordan
Leonard Hankerson
Mike Alstott
Noel Devine
Pat Devlin
Prince Amukamara
Rocky Bleier
Roger Craig
Roman Gabriel
Ron Yary
Steve Owens
Titus Young
Tom Rathman
Tommy McDonald
Tony Casillas
William Perry
I agree with you that some of the "A" class shows up more frequently than others, same as the "B" class. For example, I didn't know Eddie George was in the set until I saw it on the SP list. I did end up seeing one on ebay. The cards aren't always listed with consistent titles. That can happen with any set, but these seem prone to confusion.
I've even decided to stop my SP Authentic graded set run because Upper Deck lost it's NFL license. I'll pick up some key RC's from SP Authentic, but that's all.
I don't have many of the 97 redemption cards. I mailed them most of them in. Boy was I disappointed when they sent replacement cards.
I've been doing the Ultimate Collection updates only because Upper Deck continued the numbering on them from the original 97 Legends set. On the PSA registry, those are listed as separate sets though.
Keep the info and pics coming guys. The cards look great!
<< <i>Why does BGS call the Hockey 1997 Legends Autographs? >>
The top line is the actual set they are from but since they copy the 1997 design, I guess UD used that as the insert name
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