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Worst fake PCGS Slab ever

FrankcoinsFrankcoins Posts: 4,572 ✭✭✭
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Was searching for PL PCGS Morgans for possible DMPL upgrades, and ran into this, from 3 Kings Auctions on the liveauctioneers.com site

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Frank Provasek - PCGS Authorized Dealer, Life Member ANA, Member TNA. www.frankcoins.com

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  • SeattleSlammerSeattleSlammer Posts: 10,075 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Oh yeah, $7500 looks about right.
  • blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,957 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yuck.
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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,042 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Gack!
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  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,302 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They may be attempting to get around any type of fake slab or fraud listing by stating that their label shows this is evaluated by Trinity Appraisal Service and that this service evaluates coins using the PCGS online photograde (TM) website. I also realize that if this is the case then it is quite misleading, but perhaps they had help from a lawyer who suggested it was legal.
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  • stevebensteveben Posts: 4,652 ✭✭✭✭✭
    looks like it was cleaned with a belt sander
  • braddickbraddick Posts: 25,000 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sandblasted proofs are cool but I'd rather the mint sandblast the die and then strike the coin vs having the coin struck and then post-mint sandblasted.

    Anyone else with me on this so as not to stand alone?

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  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,488 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've seen their ads before. The claim is that the coin was given its grade based on comparisons with PCGS Photograde, hence it's a "PCGS Photograde PL-66" as opposed to someone knowing how to grade calling it a regular ol' MS66. Of course, the grade is ridiculous and you'd have to be blind not to see the difference between this coin and what Photograde shows, but I'm not trying to say their being logical here. Rather, it's not a fake PCGS holder, but certainly they're trying to lure some people into thinking PCGS played a role here.
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  • sniocsusniocsu Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭
    Wow..
  • pursuitoflibertypursuitofliberty Posts: 7,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sandblasted proofs are cool but I'd rather the mint sandblast the die and then strike the coin vs having the coin struck and then post-mint sandblasted.

    Anyone else with me on this so as not to stand alone?

    You're not standing alone!


    Of course, the grade is ridiculous and you'd have to be blind not to see the difference between this coin and what Photograde shows, but I'm not trying to say their being logical here. Rather, it's not a fake PCGS holder, but certainly they're trying to lure some people into thinking PCGS played a role here.

    this ^

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  • NotSureNotSure Posts: 2,993 ✭✭✭


    << <i>They may be attempting to get around any type of fake slab or fraud listing by stating that their label shows this is evaluated by Trinity Appraisal Service and that this service evaluates coins using the PCGS online photograde (TM) website. I also realize that if this is the case then it is quite misleading, but perhaps they had help from a lawyer who suggested it was legal. >>



    TomB, I couldn't agree with your thoughts about this item. I read the label twice, and, while I'm no lawyer, it doesn't take one to know thats is exactly what they are doing. They even put 'tm' for 'trademark' after PCGS Online Photograde. It's clear Trinity is grading this. I'd suspect this will be gone by the time I write this, this auction/item is soooooo misleading....Thanks, Frank, for showing this. It's such a feeble attempt.......it's comical. I can only hope nooone will throw big $ at it, but people being people, you just know some ---- will, as some have more $$ than brains, way more, which has been proven time and time again.
    I'll come up with something.
  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well this is a case of stupid will really hurt if anyone is dumb enough to fall for the bulls--t.

    Every since PCGS bought photo-grade this crops up every so often. Heck you could not grade from it when it was a book let alone online.
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  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Good thing they put that watermark across the picture... to keep everyone from stealing that picture and using it to misrepresent their 1921 Morgans for sale image

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  • morgansforevermorgansforever Posts: 8,495 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Straight melt, nothing more.
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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,719 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ewwwww, that aint right
  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 9,477 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Sandblasted proofs are cool but I'd rather the mint sandblast the die and then strike the coin vs having the coin struck and then post-mint sandblasted.

    Anyone else with me on this so as not to stand alone? >>



    I've done both types. If done properly, the post-strike sandblasting can be very attractice, especially with a little bit of patina and light burnishing after that ("antiqued" finish).

    The coin pictured was not sandblasted. It was wire-brushed.
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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,042 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Sandblasted proofs are cool but I'd rather the mint sandblast the die and then strike the coin vs having the coin struck and then post-mint sandblasted.

    Anyone else with me on this so as not to stand alone? >>



    I've done both types. If done properly, the post-strike sandblasting can be very attractice, especially with a little bit of patina and light burnishing after that ("antiqued" finish).

    The coin pictured was not sandblasted. It was wire-brushed. >>



    Have you ever considered doing a set of different finishes on one of your medallions as an educational set? One could be struck from normal dies on a sandblasted planchet, one could be struck from normal dies on a normal planchet and then sandblasted, one could be struck from sandblasted dies on a normal planchet, one could be struck from sandblasted dies on a sandblasted planchet, and any other permutations you could think of? Perhaps chemical pickling?

    The different finishes could be indicated by a code letter stamped into the edge, or whatever.

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  • etexmikeetexmike Posts: 6,852 ✭✭✭
    I own an example of a PCGS 1921 Morgan graded PL. Doesn't look anything like this one.image


    Mike
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,050 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That slab was never intended to be a fake PCGS slab since it doesn't resemble a PCGS slab. The label indicates or claims that they used PCGS grading standards to grade this coin which we know is a total lie. I wouldn't want that coin even for melt but it may be a good educational tool while it's in that slab. I wonder if PCGS's lawyers can send them a letter telling them to stop using their good name.

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  • MacCrimmonMacCrimmon Posts: 7,058 ✭✭✭


    << <i>They may be attempting to get around any type of fake slab or fraud listing by stating that their label shows this is evaluated by Trinity Appraisal Service and that this service evaluates coins using the PCGS online photograde (TM) website. I also realize that if this is the case then it is quite misleading, but perhaps they had help from a lawyer who suggested it was legal. >>






    PCGS Online Photograde™


    There, I fixed it!!! image Someone tell this 'genius' to type, "Alt 0153", to properly print the TM symbol. Otherwise, there's no way it could fool me. image
  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,446 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think I've seen this before, quite some time ago. I don't know if it's the same guy, but I though a ton of bricks was headed his way courtesy of our hosts in the past.
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,050 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I think I've seen this before, quite some time ago. I don't know if it's the same guy, but I though a ton of bricks was headed his way courtesy of our hosts in the past. >>


    It may be an older slab that is no longer being produced.

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  • JustNeedCoinsJustNeedCoins Posts: 241
    Seems legit

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