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Is it just me or does this 1917 walker in MS-66 look totally awesome even for the PCGS MS-66 grade?
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In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
<< <i>Beautiful coin, but from the photos I'd guess the luster keeps it from going any higher. >>
My thought too.
<< <i>Looks like a scan from Heritage. If so, that might explain why the luster looks so muted. Regardless, I think the coin is nice, but am not blown away by it. >>
It does look like a nice coin. Mark free surfaces, and what looks like nice original toning. I'm assuming the luster is pretty strong through the toning, that is usually the determining factor for between a 65 and 66.
-Paul
But man o' man, look at the detail of that hand with the split thumb. I have never see a more perfect FAT hand!!!
And also, I realize this is not a 67, never pushed for it to be one. But I have never seen the right combination of strike, bullet toning and luster on these early walkers.
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Based on the photos, i would be intrigued enough to look at it in hand. Heritage and many others struggle to take adequate photos of Walkers. It does have a fine strike and the toning looks as if it may be quite nice but luster is possibly muted or at least not apparent from these scans. I would be concerned about and want to look closer at possible small round moisture marks below IGWT and between the L and I. Could be on the holder but i doubt it.
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<< <i>Looks like a scan from Heritage. If so, that might explain why the luster looks so muted. Regardless, I think the coin is nice, but am not blown away by it. >>
by jove i think he is right. after looking at the hologram i think this was scanned by an above-average scanner. if you check the date of the sale and other images from around that time one can deduce it for certain rather quickly.
i know a good time period for HA archived images is 2006
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However, I'm not so sure I'm ready to call it a 66+ or 67 either -- you can't really judge the luster and the toning doesn't do too much for me either.
Eric
Breakdown has the finest 1917 walker ever graded, in my opinion. You have to see his walker to believe it! His is not merely awesome, it is more than incredible!!
This walker is no competition for his walker!!
<< <i>Beautiful coin, but from the photos I'd guess the luster keeps it from going any higher. >>
What luster ?
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way to get MS67 grades. Unimprovable for a fully original, well-toned gem. A dipped out white gem would not impress me more than this coin, regardless of how bright
the luster might burn. It's toned like a 19th century original silver gem...the way it probably should be. How many gem 1917's that came out of original rolls broken up in the
last 20-30 yrs are still bright white and never dipped? I'm always amazed at the high percentage of hobbyists and dealers that just hate this look on older silver coins. I'd guess
they would hate the Norweb MS67 1893-s dollar as well.
<< <i>I love it too. But then again, us old dinosaurs from the 70's and 80's loved these types of near perfect originally toned coins long before the dipping craze became the only
way to get MS67 grades. Unimprovable for a fully original, well-toned gem. A dipped out white gem would not impress me more than this coin, regardless of how bright
the luster might burn. It's toned like a 19th century original silver gem...the way it probably should be. How many gem 1917's that came out of original rolls broken up in the
last 20-30 yrs are still bright white and never dipped? I'm always amazed at the high percentage of hobbyists and dealers that just hate this look on older silver coins. I'd guess
they would hate the Norweb MS67 1893-s dollar as well. >>
I agree totally.
I'd much rather own this originally toned with somewhat subdued luster 1917 half than a blast white brilliant (dipped) one.
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outstretched arm....
bob
<< <i>I just haven't responded as I thought others would point out the staple scratch under her
outstretched arm....
bob >>
Do you mean the line that is directly beneath the stars? If so, then that is part of the design. Here is another-
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
Looking at the reverse, the toning highlights the detail in the eagle's leg feathers, making for a very nice look.
It looks like a wonderful half dollar.
Congratulations.
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Regardless, the piece is very representative of the grade.
like a white coin. Nearly every originally toned bust and seated coin has this issue. I remember back in 1988 when a local dealer purchased an 1893 barber quarter over
the counter that was purchased/put away by the family at time of issue. It had been wrapped up in tissue paper for almost 100 yrs which made it turn a very deep blue,
bordering on black. The coin was essentially flawless. The luster still came through but it was obvious it was well subdued. It ended up grading NGC MS66 in 1988 and I
brokered it to a major PCGS dealer/grader who loved the look....as well as the orig paper/envelope the coin has been placed in 100 yrs earlier. I think today such a coin
would be lucky to get a 65 grade and most likely would get dipped to make it "more saleable."
That would then mean this coin only had a maximum of 65 years to tone then dip and then retone. I highly doubt that this coin was ever dipped. Had it been dipped it would had to have been dipped in the 1940's and 1950's for the coin to have had enough time to tone in a bullet fashion.
I am not aware that dipped coins are even capable of acquiring bullet toning.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
Sadly, RR, the Norweb 93-S is no longer original, but DOA via conservation.
Many of the somewhat interesting coins the OP shows us make me sick...... with envy
I take that as a somewhat of a compliment.
There seems to be three camps and quite frankly I like to be in all three camps as I find having only one kind of looking coin all of the time does eventually become a bit boring to me.
I admit I like variety.
Those who know my walkers may remember my 1921 Jack Lee Walker which is in the mostly white flashy lustrous camp whereas the 1919 and 1920 walkers are increasingly toned looking by comparison.
I kind of like the different looks so that the set does not become too "same looking."
I do not expect a 1947 walker to be anywhere nearly as toned as 1917 walker.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
<< <i>17-P Walkers come hammered. This coin is just "too original" for the current generation of brightness freaks. Scrumptious to the "dino" numismatist.
Sadly, RR, the Norweb 93-S is no longer original, but DOA via conservation.
Many of the somewhat interesting coins the OP shows us make me sick...... with envy
My mistake. I meant to say the Vermeulle 1893-s dollar - an "undipped" MS67.
So did you receive the OP coin yet? If so, how happy are you?
"Look up, old boy, and see what you get." -William Bonney.
It will be in Far Hills, NJ tomorrow directly from Heritage.
I am anxiously awaiting results.
I am expecting results by Friday the 14th.
It had been submitted before as a MS-66, received a greenie under a different serial number per JA.
Apparently it was cracked out and received the same grade from PCGS again but interestingly was never resubmitted to CAC.
<< <i>It had been submitted before as a MS-66, received a greenie under a different serial number per JA.
Apparently it was cracked out and received the same grade from PCGS again but interestingly was never resubmitted to CAC. >>
Wow, how the heck did JA know the coin had been in under a different serial #???? Does he remember every coin, or do they do something that we don't know about, like scans or photos?