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Engelhard poured gold - my first piece

OnlyGoldIsMoneyOnlyGoldIsMoney Posts: 3,300 ✭✭✭✭✭
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This 50 gram bar arrived this week. Despite containing more gold than a $20 US double eagle, this bar is surprisingly small (despite the huge picture) - but quite dense.

I'd love to see some other poured gold examples - or post some gold you like.

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    AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,539 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Would be a great pocket piece!

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    gsa1fangsa1fan Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭
    image Very niceimage
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    BaleyBaley Posts: 22,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    attractive, and collectible

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    PokermandudePokermandude Posts: 2,710 ✭✭✭
    Picked this one up earlier this year:

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    OnlyGoldIsMoneyOnlyGoldIsMoney Posts: 3,300 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Picked this one up earlier this year:

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    That is one cool bar. image
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    1jester1jester Posts: 8,638 ✭✭✭
    both bars are really, really cool!!!!

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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 27,521 ✭✭✭✭✭
    nice pick ups all and it is good to see it for a change, wtg image
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    guitarwesguitarwes Posts: 9,240 ✭✭✭

    Cool bar! Never seen one in hand.

    Take another picture of it with a Quarter beside it for size comparison.
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    bestmrbestmr Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭
    Those are both super cool!!!
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    PokermandudePokermandude Posts: 2,710 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Cool bar! Never seen one in hand.

    Take another picture of it with a Quarter beside it for size comparison. >>



    I'll try to remember to do that next time I'm in my safe box. I have a 5oz silver JM poured bar that will make a nice contrast too image The gold bar is about half the size.
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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,564 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I own two slightly different 10 OZ. poured Englehards. How much of a premium are they worth?
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    tneigtneig Posts: 1,505 ✭✭✭
    Wow!!!
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    jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,380 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Those really ARE nice!image
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    OnlyGoldIsMoneyOnlyGoldIsMoney Posts: 3,300 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Cool bar! Never seen one in hand.

    Take another picture of it with a Quarter beside it for size comparison. >>




    I had a photograph handy with a Walking Liberty. Here you go.

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    guitarwesguitarwes Posts: 9,240 ✭✭✭

    I thought that was a Silver Eagle at first glance until I looked at the date!! That thing is small and way cool.

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    dolomitedolomite Posts: 92 ✭
    Very nice pieces in the 50g and Canadian 5oz.

    Here are a few of my bars. The 50g is a Canadian variety similar to Gold Standard's...

    London 1oz & Australian 2oz bars:
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    Canadian Collection:
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    London 5oz:
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    dolomitedolomite Posts: 92 ✭
    A few other neat non-poured varieties, staring with the Australian produced 1/2 Tael which equates to 18.7145 grams:

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    Standard production pieces. Couldn't find my matching 1oz in red, white & blue but tossed in the modern flag counterpart:
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    dolomitedolomite Posts: 92 ✭
    Couple of Canadian pieces and a London JM 20g to mix it up a bit:

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    This pair is a bit unique in the 999.5 refinement:
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    piecesofmepiecesofme Posts: 6,669 ✭✭✭
    All very very cool bars. There's something about that 2 oz'er dolomite has that almost made "it" move.
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    VikingDudeVikingDude Posts: 1,302 ✭✭✭
    Very nice everyone!
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    calleochocalleocho Posts: 1,569 ✭✭
    Awesome!

    Great bars everyone!
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    TIPPAHNUMTIPPAHNUM Posts: 79 ✭✭✭
    Great Thread ! There's some really beautiful bars of Gold here so thanks all for posting.
    My only Gold Engelhard:

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    JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Congrat's OGIM! MJ

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    2ltdjorn2ltdjorn Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭✭
    one day i will be able to assemble a collection of gold bars!
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    OnlyGoldIsMoneyOnlyGoldIsMoney Posts: 3,300 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I own two slightly different 10 OZ. poured Englehards. How much of a premium are they worth? >>




    Not many collect at the level where the cost of admission is $17,150.

    Some 2 to 5 ounce bars that sold on ebay about two months ago fetched up to 30% premiums. A 1 ounce bar did even better.

    Based on recent poured bar sales a 20-25% premium is realistic for 10 ounce bars - depending on who bids.
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice gold bars....do not have any bars... always stayed with coins. Cheers, RickO
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    OnlyGoldIsMoneyOnlyGoldIsMoney Posts: 3,300 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MJ, the 2 oz and 5 oz London bar are sweet.

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,564 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Let's see if I can remember how to use Photobucket

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,564 ✭✭✭✭✭
    And the other one

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,564 ✭✭✭✭✭
    How do you post the pictures direct?
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    JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>How do you post the pictures direct? >>



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    When you view your picture in photobucket just hit the IMG link (bottom of four choices) and it it will "flash" copy. Then just copy it directly to the thread. MJ
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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,564 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I cannot do it. Went back to photobucket, hit copy, came back there and tried to paste it into a reply. The Paste button was not lit up.

    Thank you for posting them, gentlemen.

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,564 ✭✭✭✭✭
    image

    OK, that worked. Thanks.
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    JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So you CAN teach an old dog a new trickimage

    Nice bars Tom!

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,564 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Maybe I'll list them on BST to see what the market really is on these.
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    LukeMarshallLukeMarshall Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Maybe I'll list them on BST to see what the market really is on these. >>



    Spot + a six pack of beerimage

    Nice yellow everyone

    It's all about what the people want...

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,564 ✭✭✭✭✭
    People keep saying poured bars are worth a premium. Are they wrong?
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    PokermandudePokermandude Posts: 2,710 ✭✭✭


    << <i>People keep saying poured bars are worth a premium. Are they wrong? >>



    I didn't think there would be much or any premium on poured gold bars 2oz or larger, but it appears I am wrong. Found this 5 oz gold poured Engelhard London bar that sold on ebay not long ago. Worked out to 7% over the at the time spot *AFTER* ebay and paypal fees!

    whooooaa

    I wouldn't expect the more "common" poured bars (like mine) to bring as much. But certainly in the neighbourhood of spot or slightly over spot after the significant Ebay fees wouldn't be out of the question.
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    LukeMarshallLukeMarshall Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's the old, "it's only worth what someone wants to pay for them."

    You have two different type bars that a "collector" might desire. Thing is you'll need another collector of high dollar bullion items at premiums.

    Ebay is a huge market that touches a great many of such people, but we all know about the fees.

    It may be worth it to you to try the whole "buy it now or best offer" deal, but you'll have to do the math on the fees.

    By the way. they are very nice image

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    OnlyGoldIsMoneyOnlyGoldIsMoney Posts: 3,300 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>People keep saying poured bars are worth a premium. Are they wrong? >>



    I didn't think there would be much or any premium on poured gold bars 2oz or larger, but it appears I am wrong. Found this 5 oz gold poured Engelhard London bar that sold on ebay not long ago. Worked out to 7% over the at the time spot *AFTER* ebay and paypal fees!

    whooooaa

    I wouldn't expect the more "common" poured bars (like mine) to bring as much. But certainly in the neighbourhood of spot or slightly over spot after the significant Ebay fees wouldn't be out of the question. >>




    Assuming spot was $1,750, the buyer of the 5 oz London bar on ebay paid a premium of 28%. If ebay and paypal cost a combined 13% the seller should still have realized a nice premium over spot.
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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,564 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just curious before I do anything.... if, hypothetically, I were to offer to trade the two bars for 21 ounces worth of BU American Eagle gold, am I asking for a 5% premium figuring just the ounces of gold, or should I factor in the premium over spot that American Eagles bring?
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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 27,521 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Picked this one up earlier this year:

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    nice bar image
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    OnlyGoldIsMoneyOnlyGoldIsMoney Posts: 3,300 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Just curious before I do anything.... if, hypothetically, I were to offer to trade the two bars for 21 ounces worth of BU American Eagle gold, am I asking for a 5% premium figuring just the ounces of gold, or should I factor in the premium over spot that American Eagles bring? >>



    To determine the true premium I belive you need to factor in the premium that AGE's commonly realize over spot.

    FWIW you may be undervaluing your bars if you just want to net 1 ounce via the trade (20 ounces traded to gain 21).
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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,564 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>image

    OK, that worked. Thanks. >>



    I have now listed these on BST.
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    OnlyGoldIsMoneyOnlyGoldIsMoney Posts: 3,300 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Recent pickups. 2oz Engelhard gold in slightly different configurations.

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,564 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice!
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    piecesofmepiecesofme Posts: 6,669 ✭✭✭
    Very cool dvt, nice first post here. welcome to the nut-farm image
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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,564 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Those small, thick square bars are cute, but hard to sell.
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,444 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Those small, thick square bars are cute, but hard to sell. >>



    They are neat looking. How much do they weigh?

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