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  • pmacpmac Posts: 3,189 ✭✭✭
    Are you saying they tone in these various holders? BTW, PCGS now has a service that can help those puppies, right Rick-O?image
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  • coinsarefuncoinsarefun Posts: 21,756 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Are you saying they tone in these various holders? BTW, PCGS now has a service that can help those puppies, right Rick-O?image >>





    Yepimage
    And a few other after market holders I will post later.


  • Timbuk3Timbuk3 Posts: 11,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Way cool !!! image
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  • PCcoinsPCcoins Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭
    Amazing Toning... but I don't understand why people pay hundreds of dollars for nicely toned examples because they tone extremely fast compared to 90% silver coins. IMO they tone vivid colors in a few years or less, compared to 10-30+ years for 90% silver... but environmental and other factors effect toning of course!
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  • MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭

    I started a MS collection of ASE's back in 1986 - and placed them in a Dansco album as well.
    Each succeeding year, I'd add the current year. My collection is toned along the rims and in
    some cases, the toning has migrated towards the centers. Each coin was purchased at the be-
    ginning of each calendar year and the toning is progressive, not all over the place such as the
    Dansco album imaged here. Those coins were assembled at different times and placed into the
    album already in their state of existing tonality.

    I'll get to the SDB's one of these days and image my set - you'll see exactly how well
    matched my set is in comparison.
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  • guitarwesguitarwes Posts: 9,290 ✭✭✭

    Nice toning.

    I have 2 toned 1986 SAE's that came from 2 seperate original rolls that were the top coin in each roll. The obverses are mostly blaze orange and yellow toned and the reverses are blast white. I guess the cap of the rolls were cracked a little letting in some environmental agents that lead to toning.
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  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They tone from the materials they are touching as well as the air/environment they are in.
    One time, I made the mistake of putting one on display (the little "feet" holder displays, but it was right above a heating vent. I didn't even realize it at the time (location was central to the room, very visible, and in front of a window, so I liked the location for displaying little knickknacks (and when silver was less than $10/oz, that's what I considered the SAEs). I did NOT like what it looked like as it toned and, truth be told, that prompted me to get my heating ducts cleaned (and, it being a 20+year old house that I doubt had been cleaned, they took out a lot of junk).

    That said, the aftermarket holders, cardboard, that are colorful (I like the patriotic ones for display/gifts), seem to tone SAEs over time, in a nice fashion. If they are left in the plastic portion, the toning happens but is retarded a bit. If left to open air, the toning occurs a little sooner but any dust that settles on the coin, which may not be visible to the naked eye, can cause little "spots"/areas where the toning is either a dark pinpoint or where toning avoids that small area which makes the toned coin possibly look spotty (not milkspots spotty, but just spotty).

    SAEs that have toned due to heat, whether intentional or not (as mine was not, but it certainly wasn't pretty), are somewhat noticeable by the pattern and the color.

    Different years of the SAEs, with their different mint finishes, also tone somewhat different even in the same environment.

    Overall, I will repeat what I said at the start.....the materials in contact with the SAE (even "approved" material) and the environment (are you humid, hot, enclosed, open to the air, etc?) make the most impact. Another thing I have noted is that some of my SAEs I had on display, in the open, stayed white with no toning for quite awhile and then, when they started to tone, the toning went somewhat faster than I would have expected.

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  • dbldie55dbldie55 Posts: 7,741 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wayne Miller's morgan book gives some of the chemistry of why silver tones. Since Silver Eagles are nearly pure silver, they tone much quicker than 90% coins.
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  • lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,873 ✭✭✭✭✭
    those top ones can't be intercept shield holders??
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  • illini420illini420 Posts: 11,466 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I bought these two at a small antique shop in central Missouri this summer... each was in a small black velvet box that apparently tones silver image

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  • CyStaterCyStater Posts: 681 ✭✭✭
    I have a Whitman album of MS silver eagles. Some have wild crazy pretty toning. Some are ugly toned. And some have hardly any toning at all. All in the same environment just for different lengths of time. I have tried photographing them with little success. I moved some of the more attractive ones over to a Dansco album in hopes of stabilizing them a bit.
  • mkman123mkman123 Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭✭
    steph are you using a wood, electric or gas oven? Also what temps are you cooking them at?

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  • bsshog40bsshog40 Posts: 3,970 ✭✭✭✭✭
    These are some wild SAE's for sure. As dbldie55 stated, the SAE's are 99% silver and I also figure that's why a lot of these wild colors get slabbed regardless of how they toned due to the nature of these toning with no consistency. It's hard to tell wether they were AT'd or NT'd as far as I'm concerned.
  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>those top ones can't be intercept shield holders?? >>




    No, by the look of them, I don't think they are. I don't think the IS holders have "Silver Eagle" on them like that.

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  • coinsarefuncoinsarefun Posts: 21,756 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I have a Whitman album of MS silver eagles. Some have wild crazy pretty toning. Some are ugly toned. And some have hardly any toning at all. All in the same environment just for different lengths of time. I have tried photographing them with little success. I moved some of the more attractive ones over to a Dansco album in hopes of stabilizing them a bit. >>






    Exactly why I posted the examples above and only wanted to share with those who do appreciate nice toned ASE's
    Some of the different ways these can tone and why. Of course there are more factors than just the holder such as humidity and heat.

    And when I say humidity and heat I am NOT referring to water and ovens....I am speaking about people living coastal regions and or desert areasimage

    and a side note to others here.....please don't take my examples literally, I only wanted to show other members that they (ASE's) can tone in Albums, after market holders and other
    types of storage containers. I have one slabbed coin I took from the top of a roll of ASE's.

    And to those who say they wouldn't pay such prices for them there are others that feel they would not pay that much money for toned Morgans or any toned
    coin for that matter. I so happen to be a person that does pay strong for toned ASE's and all toned coins, that is if they are nice. Not just toned.




  • coinsarefuncoinsarefun Posts: 21,756 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>those top ones can't be intercept shield holders?? >>




    I finally had some time to take better images. These are just individual capital plastic American Eagle holders.

    Here is a link to many other holders

    Just like The Battlecreek Morgans had their mint bags to tone the coins, they sat in the mint bags as storage for many, many years.. ASE's can tone also.

    I am in NO WAY promoting placing Eagles in storage holders to tone!!!! Simply many people have pm's me and asked how this can be......I am offering one opinion.


    I know everyones hair on the back of their neck stands up when I say this, but just as Morgans or any other series BEAUTIFUL toned ASE's are not as easy to find.
    And toned PROOFS are unbelievably difficult. But yes the ASE's are .999 silver so you can get wild toning but to me this is a good thingimage

    And against popular belief ASE's do not tone dang near overnight. A nice even toned Eagle does take time.




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