<< <i>I do not think a bowl appearance is a requirement- finishing the season unbeaten in a conference that has played well during the year matters. The Big Ten simply has not met expectations. >>
I disagree strongly with part one. Part two we are in agreement. OSU only had the 38th strongest schedule in the country. Michigan even with playing the #1, #2 and #3 teams in the country didn't have a top 20 schedule. Why? The Big Ten sucked this year. Almost all Big Ten teams you play hurt your strength of schedule. OSU played a weak non conference schedule on top of that. They would have needed to beat a quality non conference team in a Bowl to have any right to any claim. They just don't have the resume. Even many many of their Big Ten wins were unimpressive. Their resume reads like the undefeated non BCS/WAC teams of the past. Even if they were eligible for a Bowl Game it wouldn't have been the National Championship game. Alabama and and Notre Dame would still be #1 vs #2 and it's winner take all.
MJ
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<< <i>I do not think a bowl appearance is a requirement- finishing the season unbeaten in a conference that has played well during the year matters. The Big Ten simply has not met expectations. >>
I disagree strongly with part one. Part two we are in agreement. OSU only had the 38th strongest schedule in the country. Michigan even with playing the #1, #2 and #3 teams in the country didn't have a top 20 schedule. Why? The Big Ten sucked this year. Almost all Big Ten teams you play hurt your strength of schedule. OSU played a weak non conference schedule on top of that. They would have needed to beat a quality non conference team in a Bowl to have any right to any claim. They just don't have the resume. Even many many of their Big Ten wins were unimpressive. Their resume reads like the undefeated non BCS/WAC teams of the past. Even if they were eligible for a Bowl Game it wouldn't have been the National Championship game. Alabama and and Notre Dame would still be #1 vs #2 and it's winner take all.
MJ >>
The big ten is not any weaker than any other conference except the sec. They have 4 teams ranked in the top 25 and one is undefeated. Michigan state beat Boise state and beat georgia last year in the bowl game.
<< <i>I do not think a bowl appearance is a requirement- finishing the season unbeaten in a conference that has played well during the year matters. The Big Ten simply has not met expectations. >>
I disagree strongly with part one. Part two we are in agreement. OSU only had the 38th strongest schedule in the country. Michigan even with playing the #1, #2 and #3 teams in the country didn't have a top 20 schedule. Why? The Big Ten sucked this year. Almost all Big Ten teams you play hurt your strength of schedule. OSU played a weak non conference schedule on top of that. They would have needed to beat a quality non conference team in a Bowl to have any right to any claim. They just don't have the resume. Even many many of their Big Ten wins were unimpressive. Their resume reads like the undefeated non BCS/WAC teams of the past. Even if they were eligible for a Bowl Game it wouldn't have been the National Championship game. Alabama and and Notre Dame would still be #1 vs #2 and it's winner take all.
MJ >>
The big ten is not any weaker than any other conference except the sec. They have 4 teams ranked in the top 25 and one is undefeated. Michigan state beat Boise state and beat georgia last year in the bowl game. >>
Holy cr@p. What a stretch. Boise St returned 2 starters this year from last years team including a brand new QB and they barely lost to State in East Lansing in the first game of the year. Weak cabbage Soundguard. As a Big Ten guy and someone who had a close relative start on a OSU National Championship team I can easily say the Big Ten especially sucked this year. I'm not happy about it either. MJ
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<< <i>I do not think a bowl appearance is a requirement- finishing the season unbeaten in a conference that has played well during the year matters. The Big Ten simply has not met expectations. >>
I disagree strongly with part one. Part two we are in agreement. OSU only had the 38th strongest schedule in the country. Michigan even with playing the #1, #2 and #3 teams in the country didn't have a top 20 schedule. Why? The Big Ten sucked this year. Almost all Big Ten teams you play hurt your strength of schedule. OSU played a weak non conference schedule on top of that. They would have needed to beat a quality non conference team in a Bowl to have any right to any claim. They just don't have the resume. Even many many of their Big Ten wins were unimpressive. Their resume reads like the undefeated non BCS/WAC teams of the past. Even if they were eligible for a Bowl Game it wouldn't have been the National Championship game. Alabama and and Notre Dame would still be #1 vs #2 and it's winner take all.
MJ >>
The big ten is not any weaker than any other conference except the sec. They have 4 teams ranked in the top 25 and one is undefeated. Michigan state beat Boise state and beat georgia last year in the bowl game. >>
Holy cr@p. What a stretch. Boise St returned 2 starters this year from last years team including a brand new QB and they barely lost to State in East Lansing in the first game of the year. Weak cabbage Soundguard. As a Big Ten guy and someone who had a close relative start on a OSU National Championship team I can easily say the Big Ten especially sucked this year. I'm not happy about it either. MJ >>
Disagree. 4 top 25 teams means it doesnt suck. Boise state is in the top 20, so sorry no chopped liver there.
I'm not here much anymore but I saw this post and offer the following thoughts:
1) "Real National Champions"? No, at least not at this time. I'm a Buckeye fan, I'm thrilled that they went 12-0 but if Notre Dame beats Alabama they are the national champions. 2) If Notre Dame loses, Ohio State has a right to claim the AP title. Undefeated is undefeated. Big time programs that accomplish this in major conferences have this right. 3) Does the Big Ten suck? Maybe, but really no more than most major conferences. There's no defense in the Big 12, the ACC is putrid, the PAC 12, like the Big 10, wound up having 2 good teams (Oregon and Stanford).......and even the SEC is weaker than in past years (although it is still the best conference). Parity reigns in CFB, and the product is only going to get more diluted. 4) The schedule is the schedule. People who think Ohio State tries to schedule their way to undefeated seasons are on crack. EVERY school plays games to some degree with their schedules (cue the SEC scheduling division 2 schools in November). If you want to find schools who try to schedule their way to the BCS title game, you can find them. FYI, in upcoming years, Ohio State plays OOC games vs Va Tech, Oklahoma, Texas, TCU, and others. 5) Alabama is a great team. But they have played exactly 2 good QB's this year: Manziel, who beat them, and Murray, who almost beat them. This is the weakest Bama team of the 3 to play for the title. 6) After finishing 12-0, Urban Meyer said: "I think this team can play with any team in America." Urban is brutally honest about his team; earlier in the year he called them a "ham and egg" bunch. I'll take the comments from a 2 time winning national championship coach over message board posters. 7) I'm disappointed that the Buckeyes won't play for the title, but part of me doesn't care. For that team to go 12-0 knowing they had zero chance to compete for a title is an accomplishment on par with or exceeding whatever teams wins the BCS. 18-22 year old kids who could've all pursued their own agendas, instead they played for each other and never lost a game. That is amazing and most people won't notice that. It's easy to compete when there's a trophy to play for; not so much if you're told you can't.
A few parting comments:
Justacommeman: You're a Michigan man so I can understand your denial. I watch all of Urban's press conferences and know a good bit about him. You're wrong. 26-21 must hurt.
Barely beating Purdue? The 2002 national championship team barely beat Purdue. Notre Dame barely beat Pitt this year. Close games happen.
Couldn't beat the SEC? Maybe. But the same thing was said about Ohio St having no chance against Miami in 2002 and the Hurricanes got physically mauled in that game. People just remember the score and overtime but astute observers would see that Ohio St physically abused Miami on that night. Ask Willis McGahee and Ken Dorsey. Ohio State's front 7 dominated that game.
It's that last point that tells me we should watch out for Notre Dame against Alabama. Their front 7 is very good and it wouldn't surprise me if they won.
I wish people would actually pay attention to what makes teams good on the field and why they are successful rather than conference talking points.
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I agree that this year's Alabama is not as good as the previous two NCs. The defense is not as strong (though still really good) and the QB play has been inconsistent-missed a lot of open receivers. I'm pulling for Bama, but would not be surprised by a ND win.
<<Justacommeman: You're a Michigan man so I can understand your denial. I watch all of Urban's press conferences and know a good bit about him. You're wrong. 26-21 must hurt>>
They all hurt. You being a OSU fan I understand your delusion
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OSU's biggest game of 2002 in terms of nearly loosing was not against Purdue, but the OT win against Illinois 23-16- If you saw the ending of regulation, it does not get any more dramatic- except for the OT and the two Illinois touchdowns that were ruled incomplete in the end zone as the receiver was allegedy out of the end zone- one clearly was- still not so sure about the other.
The 1968 OSU 31-24 win against Illinois is considered one of their greatest ever- OSU blew and 24 point lead, and Illinois which had lost to ND earlier in the season 58-8, answered with three touchdowns and converting 2 point conversions to tie the game in the 4th quarter. Needless to say, Woody Hayes was furious and the Buckeyes managed to engineer a scoring drive in the closing minutes to win- had the game ending in a tie, OSU likely would not have been National Champs.
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There's a reason 2 HISTORIC football powers only 5 hrs apart, dont play each other very often. Notre dame wont schedule Ohio state because they know it would be a check in the loss column most years.
Based upon standings, the 6th best team in the SEC this year is either LSU, South Carolina, or Texas A & M. If Ohio State was to play any of these three teams in a bowl game this year, I believe there is a reasonable chance that they would lose. Maybe 50/50. And this is the 6th best team in the SEC. Not a National Champion by any stretch. Of course, I feel the same way about Notre Dame...
<< <i>There's a reason 2 HISTORIC football powers only 5 hrs apart, dont play each other very often. Notre dame wont schedule Ohio state because they know it would be a check in the loss column most years. >>
<< <i>There's a reason 2 HISTORIC football powers only 5 hrs apart, dont play each other very often. Notre dame wont schedule Ohio state because they know it would be a check in the loss column most years. >>
While it might make for good smack talk, I think we both know that neither the Fighting Irish nor the Buckeyes are "afraid" to schedule one another due to a fear of losing. Knowing my beloved alma matter, I feel quite certain that it boils down to the almighty dollar (that's something that ND loves far more than football.). I'd be willing to venture that the two programs can't come to an agreeable split on the money that the game would generate from all sources. I'd also be willing to venture that there is timing issues due to traditional rivalries on both sides and that neither school is willing to budge on the time of the year they'd like the game to be played.
If I remember correctly, a fellow ND alumnus is the current athletic director for Ohio State. Therefore, I'm not going to disparage OSU or their fans, but I really don't think the Irish would have much of a problem running right over the Buckeyes this year. Too bad though that we won't get to find out since one of the interested parties couldn't follow some relatively simple NCAA rules. Former Buckeyes made the bed that current Buckeyes have to lie in, it might be unfortunate, but it is what it is. Ohio State has no one to blame other than Ohio State.
Nah, both parties are leaving alot of money on the table if that were the case. Theres a reason ND has Purdue on their schedule every year and not the Buckeyes.
<< <i>Theres a reason ND has Purdue on their schedule every year and not the Buckeyes. >>
Yes, they are instate rivals and they play for Shillelagh Trophy. The rivalry has taken place every year since the end of WWII. As a Michigan fan I'm sad that Notre Dame cancelled the games with us from 2015-2017. There was already a scheduling break in 2018 and 2019 so the soonest we could renew the rivalry is 2020. Michigan became a victim to ND's new ACC deal.
MJ
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Ohio State does have no one to blame but itself, starting with the idiot athletic director who insisted last year that there would be no bowl ban. So instead of self imposing a bowl ban last year and getting beyond the penalty, they went to a bowl with a 6-6 team and got hit with the penalty last year. That was an athletic director driven decision - in fact, he told the players last year around this time there would be no bowl ban and was quite arrogant about it. It's amazing the clown still has a job. I'd love for ND to take him back, give him a job somewhere.
Then we go to the idiot booster who gave players benefits (jobs) and the athletic department - led by the same athletic director - did nothing about it. It wasn't the tattoos that led to the enhanced penalties (bowl ban) - it was this incident and the epic fail in the athletic department to stop it. Like someone said, our biggest problem is that we don't cheat very well.
And I disagree that ND would run over Ohio State. Y'all should've lost to Pitt and got the luckiest of breaks against Stanford (TD!) and that matches whatever breaks Ohio State got against whoever. The one common opponent, Michigan, were 5 and 7 point games. It'd be a close competitive game and if it were in a bowl game, I'll take Urban Meyer being given six weeks to prepare against anyone.
I'm not wading into the debate about OSU and ND playing each other regularly. I don't really care. If it happens, great, if not, no big deal.
Take care,
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<< <i>Like anyone cares about the shillelagh trophy lol. woo hoo. >>
They do. It's a 66 year old instate rivalry that is played every year.
MJ
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And I disagree that ND would run over Ohio State. Y'all should've lost to Pitt and got the luckiest of breaks against Stanford (TD!) and that matches whatever breaks Ohio State got against whoever. The one common opponent, Michigan, were 5 and 7 point games. It'd be a close competitive game and if it were in a bowl game, I'll take Urban Meyer being given six weeks to prepare against anyone.
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Indeed. If ND can get trounced by John Cooper, I dont see them doing much better against the Urbanator lol.
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<< <i>I do not think a bowl appearance is a requirement- finishing the season unbeaten in a conference that has played well during the year matters. The Big Ten simply has not met expectations. >>
I disagree strongly with part one. Part two we are in agreement. OSU only had the 38th strongest schedule in the country. Michigan even with playing the #1, #2 and #3 teams in the country didn't have a top 20 schedule. Why? The Big Ten sucked this year. Almost all Big Ten teams you play hurt your strength of schedule. OSU played a weak non conference schedule on top of that. They would have needed to beat a quality non conference team in a Bowl to have any right to any claim. They just don't have the resume. Even many many of their Big Ten wins were unimpressive. Their resume reads like the undefeated non BCS/WAC teams of the past. Even if they were eligible for a Bowl Game it wouldn't have been the National Championship game. Alabama and and Notre Dame would still be #1 vs #2 and it's winner take all.
MJ
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<< <i>I do not think a bowl appearance is a requirement- finishing the season unbeaten in a conference that has played well during the year matters. The Big Ten simply has not met expectations. >>
I disagree strongly with part one. Part two we are in agreement. OSU only had the 38th strongest schedule in the country. Michigan even with playing the #1, #2 and #3 teams in the country didn't have a top 20 schedule. Why? The Big Ten sucked this year. Almost all Big Ten teams you play hurt your strength of schedule. OSU played a weak non conference schedule on top of that. They would have needed to beat a quality non conference team in a Bowl to have any right to any claim. They just don't have the resume. Even many many of their Big Ten wins were unimpressive. Their resume reads like the undefeated non BCS/WAC teams of the past. Even if they were eligible for a Bowl Game it wouldn't have been the National Championship game. Alabama and and Notre Dame would still be #1 vs #2 and it's winner take all.
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The big ten is not any weaker than any other conference except the sec. They have 4 teams ranked in the top 25 and one is undefeated. Michigan state beat Boise state and beat georgia last year in the bowl game.
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Well yea, two of the top 3 best big ten teams are not playing a bowl game.
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<< <i>I do not think a bowl appearance is a requirement- finishing the season unbeaten in a conference that has played well during the year matters. The Big Ten simply has not met expectations. >>
I disagree strongly with part one. Part two we are in agreement. OSU only had the 38th strongest schedule in the country. Michigan even with playing the #1, #2 and #3 teams in the country didn't have a top 20 schedule. Why? The Big Ten sucked this year. Almost all Big Ten teams you play hurt your strength of schedule. OSU played a weak non conference schedule on top of that. They would have needed to beat a quality non conference team in a Bowl to have any right to any claim. They just don't have the resume. Even many many of their Big Ten wins were unimpressive. Their resume reads like the undefeated non BCS/WAC teams of the past. Even if they were eligible for a Bowl Game it wouldn't have been the National Championship game. Alabama and and Notre Dame would still be #1 vs #2 and it's winner take all.
MJ >>
The big ten is not any weaker than any other conference except the sec. They have 4 teams ranked in the top 25 and one is undefeated. Michigan state beat Boise state and beat georgia last year in the bowl game. >>
Holy cr@p. What a stretch. Boise St returned 2 starters this year from last years team including a brand new QB and they barely lost to State in East Lansing in the first game of the year. Weak cabbage Soundguard. As a Big Ten guy and someone who had a close relative start on a OSU National Championship team I can easily say the Big Ten especially sucked this year. I'm not happy about it either. MJ
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<< <i>I do not think a bowl appearance is a requirement- finishing the season unbeaten in a conference that has played well during the year matters. The Big Ten simply has not met expectations. >>
I disagree strongly with part one. Part two we are in agreement. OSU only had the 38th strongest schedule in the country. Michigan even with playing the #1, #2 and #3 teams in the country didn't have a top 20 schedule. Why? The Big Ten sucked this year. Almost all Big Ten teams you play hurt your strength of schedule. OSU played a weak non conference schedule on top of that. They would have needed to beat a quality non conference team in a Bowl to have any right to any claim. They just don't have the resume. Even many many of their Big Ten wins were unimpressive. Their resume reads like the undefeated non BCS/WAC teams of the past. Even if they were eligible for a Bowl Game it wouldn't have been the National Championship game. Alabama and and Notre Dame would still be #1 vs #2 and it's winner take all.
MJ >>
The big ten is not any weaker than any other conference except the sec. They have 4 teams ranked in the top 25 and one is undefeated. Michigan state beat Boise state and beat georgia last year in the bowl game. >>
Holy cr@p. What a stretch. Boise St returned 2 starters this year from last years team including a brand new QB and they barely lost to State in East Lansing in the first game of the year. Weak cabbage Soundguard. As a Big Ten guy and someone who had a close relative start on a OSU National Championship team I can easily say the Big Ten especially sucked this year. I'm not happy about it either. MJ >>
Disagree. 4 top 25 teams means it doesnt suck. Boise state is in the top 20, so sorry no chopped liver there.
1) "Real National Champions"? No, at least not at this time. I'm a Buckeye fan, I'm thrilled that they went 12-0 but if Notre Dame beats Alabama they are the national champions.
2) If Notre Dame loses, Ohio State has a right to claim the AP title. Undefeated is undefeated. Big time programs that accomplish this in major conferences have this right.
3) Does the Big Ten suck? Maybe, but really no more than most major conferences. There's no defense in the Big 12, the ACC is putrid, the PAC 12, like the Big 10, wound up having 2 good teams (Oregon and Stanford).......and even the SEC is weaker than in past years (although it is still the best conference). Parity reigns in CFB, and the product is only going to get more diluted.
4) The schedule is the schedule. People who think Ohio State tries to schedule their way to undefeated seasons are on crack. EVERY school plays games to some degree with their schedules (cue the SEC scheduling division 2 schools in November). If you want to find schools who try to schedule their way to the BCS title game, you can find them. FYI, in upcoming years, Ohio State plays OOC games vs Va Tech, Oklahoma, Texas, TCU, and others.
5) Alabama is a great team. But they have played exactly 2 good QB's this year: Manziel, who beat them, and Murray, who almost beat them. This is the weakest Bama team of the 3 to play for the title.
6) After finishing 12-0, Urban Meyer said: "I think this team can play with any team in America." Urban is brutally honest about his team; earlier in the year he called them a "ham and egg" bunch. I'll take the comments from a 2 time winning national championship coach over message board posters.
7) I'm disappointed that the Buckeyes won't play for the title, but part of me doesn't care. For that team to go 12-0 knowing they had zero chance to compete for a title is an accomplishment on par with or exceeding whatever teams wins the BCS. 18-22 year old kids who could've all pursued their own agendas, instead they played for each other and never lost a game. That is amazing and most people won't notice that. It's easy to compete when there's a trophy to play for; not so much if you're told you can't.
A few parting comments:
Justacommeman: You're a Michigan man so I can understand your denial. I watch all of Urban's press conferences and know a good bit about him. You're wrong. 26-21 must hurt.
Barely beating Purdue? The 2002 national championship team barely beat Purdue. Notre Dame barely beat Pitt this year. Close games happen.
Couldn't beat the SEC? Maybe. But the same thing was said about Ohio St having no chance against Miami in 2002 and the Hurricanes got physically mauled in that game. People just remember the score and overtime but astute observers would see that Ohio St physically abused Miami on that night. Ask Willis McGahee and Ken Dorsey. Ohio State's front 7 dominated that game.
It's that last point that tells me we should watch out for Notre Dame against Alabama. Their front 7 is very good and it wouldn't surprise me if they won.
I wish people would actually pay attention to what makes teams good on the field and why they are successful rather than conference talking points.
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They all hurt. You being a OSU fan I understand your delusion
MJ
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OSU's biggest game of 2002 in terms of nearly loosing was not against Purdue, but the OT win against Illinois 23-16- If you saw the ending of regulation, it does not get any more dramatic- except for the OT and the two Illinois touchdowns that were ruled incomplete in the end zone as the receiver was allegedy out of the end zone- one clearly was- still not so sure about the other.
The 1968 OSU 31-24 win against Illinois is considered one of their greatest ever- OSU blew and 24 point lead, and Illinois which had lost to ND earlier in the season 58-8, answered with three touchdowns and converting 2 point conversions to tie the game in the 4th quarter. Needless to say, Woody Hayes was furious and the Buckeyes managed to engineer a scoring drive in the closing minutes to win- had the game ending in a tie, OSU likely would not have been National Champs.
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<< <i>MJ, glad you took that the right way.
We're part of the greatest rivalry in sports! >>
Of course. I wouldn't want it any other way.
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<< <i>There's a reason 2 HISTORIC football powers only 5 hrs apart, dont play each other very often. Notre dame wont schedule Ohio state because they know it would be a check in the loss column most years. >>
LOL, thanks for the chuckle!
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While it might make for good smack talk, I think we both know that neither the Fighting Irish nor the Buckeyes are "afraid" to schedule one another due to a fear of losing. Knowing my beloved alma matter, I feel quite certain that it boils down to the almighty dollar (that's something that ND loves far more than football.). I'd be willing to venture that the two programs can't come to an agreeable split on the money that the game would generate from all sources. I'd also be willing to venture that there is timing issues due to traditional rivalries on both sides and that neither school is willing to budge on the time of the year they'd like the game to be played.
If I remember correctly, a fellow ND alumnus is the current athletic director for Ohio State. Therefore, I'm not going to disparage OSU or their fans, but I really don't think the Irish would have much of a problem running right over the Buckeyes this year. Too bad though that we won't get to find out since one of the interested parties couldn't follow some relatively simple NCAA rules. Former Buckeyes made the bed that current Buckeyes have to lie in, it might be unfortunate, but it is what it is. Ohio State has no one to blame other than Ohio State.
Mike
<< <i>Theres a reason ND has Purdue on their schedule every year and not the Buckeyes. >>
Yes, they are instate rivals and they play for Shillelagh Trophy. The rivalry has taken place every year since the end of WWII. As a Michigan fan I'm sad that Notre Dame cancelled the games with us from 2015-2017. There was already a scheduling break in 2018 and 2019 so the soonest we could renew the rivalry is 2020. Michigan became a victim to ND's new ACC deal.
MJ
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Ohio State does have no one to blame but itself, starting with the idiot athletic director who insisted last year that there would be no bowl ban. So instead of self imposing a bowl ban last year and getting beyond the penalty, they went to a bowl with a 6-6 team and got hit with the penalty last year. That was an athletic director driven decision - in fact, he told the players last year around this time there would be no bowl ban and was quite arrogant about it. It's amazing the clown still has a job. I'd love for ND to take him back, give him a job somewhere.
Then we go to the idiot booster who gave players benefits (jobs) and the athletic department - led by the same athletic director - did nothing about it. It wasn't the tattoos that led to the enhanced penalties (bowl ban) - it was this incident and the epic fail in the athletic department to stop it. Like someone said, our biggest problem is that we don't cheat very well.
And I disagree that ND would run over Ohio State. Y'all should've lost to Pitt and got the luckiest of breaks against Stanford (TD!) and that matches whatever breaks Ohio State got against whoever. The one common opponent, Michigan, were 5 and 7 point games. It'd be a close competitive game and if it were in a bowl game, I'll take Urban Meyer being given six weeks to prepare against anyone.
I'm not wading into the debate about OSU and ND playing each other regularly. I don't really care. If it happens, great, if not, no big deal.
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<< <i>Like anyone cares about the shillelagh trophy lol. woo hoo. >>
They do. It's a 66 year old instate rivalry that is played every year.
MJ
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And I disagree that ND would run over Ohio State. Y'all should've lost to Pitt and got the luckiest of breaks against Stanford (TD!) and that matches whatever breaks Ohio State got against whoever. The one common opponent, Michigan, were 5 and 7 point games. It'd be a close competitive game and if it were in a bowl game, I'll take Urban Meyer being given six weeks to prepare against anyone.
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Indeed. If ND can get trounced by John Cooper, I dont see them doing much better against the Urbanator lol.