The real National champions: Ohio state Buckeyes

soundgard

Congrats to ND for an amazing season. But mostly thank 8 former Ohio state players for your #1 ranking. Lets face it, with Ohio state's defense(mich did not get into ohio state territory the entire 2nd half) and one of the best QB's in MCF, and hyde (146 yds rushing against mich( the Buckeyes are not a team ND would want to face. let alone they haven't beaten Ohio state since 1936.

2012 Ohio state Buckeyes. National champions

Brick

Ohio State has a good chance to be the only unbeaten team this year. In all honesty OSU would still have to beat Nebraska again and then Notre Dame to win the Championship. That would not be easy but is certainly possible. I think ND would rather play the Buckeyes than Alabama or even Georgia. OSU would have a better chance against ND than the SEC Champ.

CNote

I gotta agree. I know there are some big ND fans here, but with what Meyer did, I must say that man has the best team in the country. As it stands, I think the SEC team will win, but I don't want to see either ND or an SEC team win.

Watch out for the Buckeyes as long as Urban is there.

quincunx

<< <i>Congrats to ND for an amazing season. But mostly thank 8 former Ohio state players for your #1 ranking. Lets face it, with Ohio state's defense(mich did not get into ohio state territory the entire 2nd half) and one of the best QB's in MCF, and hyde (146 yds rushing against mich( the Buckeyes are not a team ND would want to face. let alone they haven't beaten Ohio state since 1936.

2012 Ohio state Buckeyes. National champions >>



you should get a tattoo and celebrate..............

perkdog

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<< <i>Congrats to ND for an amazing season. But mostly thank 8 former Ohio state players for your #1 ranking. Lets face it, with Ohio state's defense(mich did not get into ohio state territory the entire 2nd half) and one of the best QB's in MCF, and hyde (146 yds rushing against mich( the Buckeyes are not a team ND would want to face. let alone they haven't beaten Ohio state since 1936.

2012 Ohio state Buckeyes. National champions >>



you should get a tattoo and celebrate.............. >>

Dboneesq

<< <i>the Buckeyes are not a team ND would want to face. let alone they haven't beaten Ohio state since 1936. >>


It's amazing how different a statistic can sound when you leave out a few words, such as:
Ohio State leads the series 3-2. Ohio State won games in 1995, 1996, and 2006. Notre Dame won games in 1935 and 1936.

larryallen73

Wouldn't this thread be more apt AFTER the national championship game. At this point all OSU can argue is that they should be in the national championship game. No guarantee they would win that game!? Likely, if not on probate for CHEATING, they would be in that game. Likely against ND and OSU would likely be favored. That's all fantasy land guessing now... if, if, if....

goraiders

<< <i>Congrats to ND for an amazing season. But mostly thank 8 former Ohio state players for your #1 ranking. Lets face it, with Ohio state's defense(mich did not get into ohio state territory the entire 2nd half) and one of the best QB's in MCF, and hyde (146 yds rushing against mich( the Buckeyes are not a team ND would want to face. let alone they haven't beaten Ohio state since 1936.

If my aunt had balls she would be my uncle..

Dboneesq

So how many of each teams wins came against opponents with a winning record for the year?
Notre Dame: SEVEN
Ohio State: FIVE


They had three common opponents:
AT Michigan State: Ohio State won 17-16; Notre Dame won 20-3.
Home v. Purdue: Ohio State won in OVERTIME; Notre Dame won 20-17.
Home v. Michigan: Ohio State won 26-21; Notre Dame won 13-6.

Justacommeman

Delusional...............MJ

soundgard

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<< <i>Congrats to ND for an amazing season. But mostly thank 8 former Ohio state players for your #1 ranking. Lets face it, with Ohio state's defense(mich did not get into ohio state territory the entire 2nd half) and one of the best QB's in MCF, and hyde (146 yds rushing against mich( the Buckeyes are not a team ND would want to face. let alone they haven't beaten Ohio state since 1936.

2012 Ohio state Buckeyes. National champions >>



you should get a tattoo and celebrate.............. >>



I laughed.

ABellPharmD

So Ohio State beat Cal and a bunch of lightweight Big Ten schools and are the "best team"? Ridiculous. Nebraska and Michigan don't make for a stellar resume.

soundgard

<< <i>So Ohio State beat Cal and a bunch of lightweight Big Ten schools and are the "best team"? Ridiculous. Nebraska and Michigan don't make for a stellar resume. >>



Alabama and ND played plenty of lightweights as well. Ohio state beat the #12 ranked team by 25 points.

markj111

Didn't OSU need OT to beat Purdue? This thread is irrelevant. If OSU wanted to play in the championship game, they should not have cheated. Whether or not they could beat ND, Ga, or Al is a moot point.

larryallen73

If OSU wanted to play in the championship game, they should not have cheated.

Yup. That is the bottom line. I agree.

mcadams

Should OSU purchase a giant crystal trophy with a golden asterisk on both sides? That seems appropriate*


*Championship not valid outside of Columbus Ohio

Dboneesq

<< <i>So Ohio State beat Cal and a bunch of lightweight Big Ten schools and are the "best team"? Ridiculous. Nebraska and Michigan don't make for a stellar resume.
Alabama and ND played plenty of lightweights as well. Ohio state beat the #12 ranked team by 25 points. >>


Just had to post it again:
So how many of each teams wins came against opponents with a winning record for the year?
Notre Dame: SEVEN
Ohio State: FIVE


They had three common opponents:
AT Michigan State: Ohio State won 17-16; Notre Dame won 20-3.
Home v. Purdue: Ohio State won in OVERTIME; Notre Dame won 20-17.
Home v. Michigan: Ohio State won 26-21; Notre Dame won 13-6.

soundgard

<< <i>Didn't OSU need OT to beat Purdue? This thread is irrelevant. If OSU wanted to play in the championship game, they should not have cheated. Whether or not they could beat ND, Ga, or Al is a moot point. >>



Purdue almost beat Notre Dame. As did Pittsburgh and most think stanford got robbed of a tying touchdown. Ohio state didnt cheat. Its not against the law to sell your personal items. No one on the current team was involved.

markj111

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<< <i>Didn't OSU need OT to beat Purdue? This thread is irrelevant. If OSU wanted to play in the championship game, they should not have cheated. Whether or not they could beat ND, Ga, or Al is a moot point. >>



Purdue almost beat Notre Dame. As did Pittsburgh and most think stanford got robbed of a tying touchdown. Ohio state didnt cheat.



Then why are the ineligible for post-season play? BTW, Alabama played Michigan-beat them like a rented mule. All that means nothing. OSU's season is over. ND's, UA's, and UGA'as are not.

Justacommeman

While they are very good, I'm not even sure they are the best team in Ohio. Urban Meyer will be the first to tell you they were very lucky and not a great team. MJ

Dboneesq

<< <i>No one on the current team was involved. >>


Tell that to the kids on the Penn State Football Team. Sorry ... school/players screw up ... EVERYBODY ends up paying for it.

Dboneesq

<< <i>Purdue almost beat Notre Dame. >>



ALMOST? ALMOST? There are THOUSANDS of teams that ALMOST beat another team.

Ask the Titans if they got a winning Super Bowl ring in 1999 after being stopped on the 1 yard line during the last play of the game.

The Cleveland Browns are 3-8 this year. Considering 5 of their losses were by one score or less, let's change their record to 8-3 since they ALMOST won those games.

ALMOST means NOTHING!

thenavarro

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<< <i>Purdue almost beat Notre Dame. >>



ALMOST? ALMOST? There are THOUSANDS of teams that ALMOST beat another team.


ALMOST means NOTHING! >>




I ALMOST won the Powerball last night. Just needed to buy a ticket and match 6 numbers.

The Texas Rangers ALMOST won the World Series in 2011 (dang, that still doesn't make me feel any better)

soundgard

<< <i>While they are very good, I'm not even sure they are the best team in Ohio. Urban Meyer will be the first to tell you they were very lucky and not a great team. MJ >>



Wrong, Meyer said this week they are a great team and as good as anyone in the country.

soundgard

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<< <i>Purdue almost beat Notre Dame. >>



ALMOST? ALMOST? There are THOUSANDS of teams that ALMOST beat another team.

Ask the Titans if they got a winning Super Bowl ring in 1999 after being stopped on the 1 yard line during the last play of the game.

The Cleveland Browns are 3-8 this year. Considering 5 of their losses were by one score or less, let's change their record to 8-3 since they ALMOST won those games.

ALMOST means NOTHING! >>



Then why do you keep capitalizing the word overtime when you mention ohio state and purdue, you douchbag? lol

perkdog

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<< <i>Purdue almost beat Notre Dame. >>



ALMOST? ALMOST? There are THOUSANDS of teams that ALMOST beat another team.

Ask the Titans if they got a winning Super Bowl ring in 1999 after being stopped on the 1 yard line during the last play of the game.

The Cleveland Browns are 3-8 this year. Considering 5 of their losses were by one score or less, let's change their record to 8-3 since they ALMOST won those games.

ALMOST means NOTHING! >>



Then why do you keep capitalizing the word overtime when you mention ohio state and purdue, you douchbag? lol >>




MAYBE to get it through your thick head?

soundgard

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<< <i>Purdue almost beat Notre Dame. >>



ALMOST? ALMOST? There are THOUSANDS of teams that ALMOST beat another team.

Ask the Titans if they got a winning Super Bowl ring in 1999 after being stopped on the 1 yard line during the last play of the game.

The Cleveland Browns are 3-8 this year. Considering 5 of their losses were by one score or less, let's change their record to 8-3 since they ALMOST won those games.

ALMOST means NOTHING! >>



Then why do you keep capitalizing the word overtime when you mention ohio state and purdue, you douchbag? lol >>




MAYBE to get it through your thick head? >>



MAYBE he should get it through his thick head. Gotta love Ohio state haters

Dboneesq

Don't dislike Ohio State at all ... just people who are arrogant. Name calling ... wow, guess you are a tough guy! LMFAO

Dboneesq

<< <i>Then why do you keep capitalizing the word overtime when you mention ohio state and purdue, you douchbag? lol >>



Hey Mr. Internet Tough Guy, OVERTIME (capitalized once again) to differentiate (you know what that means, right?) between a team that wins in regulation and a team that needs additional time to put away a team.

Just in case you did not know the meaning:

dif·fer·en·ti·ate
verb ˌdif-ə-ˈren(t)-shē-ˌāt
dif·fer·en·ti·at·eddif·fer·en·ti·at·ing
Definition of DIFFERENTIATE
transitive verb
1 to obtain the mathematical derivative of
2 to mark or show a difference in : constitute a difference that distinguishes
3 to develop differential characteristics in
4 to cause differentiation of in the course of development
5 to express the specific distinguishing quality of : discriminate

intransitive verb
1 to recognize or give expression to a difference
2 to become distinct or different in character
3 to undergo differentiation
— dif·fer·en·tia·bil·i·ty noun
— dif·fer·en·tia·ble adjective

soundgard

blah blah blah

So who's your team?

Dboneesq

Hey ... having a discussion ... even being on opposite sides of the discussion ... is a fun thing to do. I respect everyone's opinion, even if I don't agree with it. HOWEVER, if someone needs to resort to name calling, discussion over.

Justacommeman

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<< <i>While they are very good, I'm not even sure they are the best team in Ohio. Urban Meyer will be the first to tell you they were very lucky and not a great team. MJ >>



Wrong, Meyer said this week they are a great team and as good as anyone in the country. >>



Right up to the the week before the Michigan game he said this team was far from great and he was right. Only after the Michigan game did he change his tune in typical Meyer fashion.

"It's a great team," Meyer told ESPN after the victory. "We went 12-0. This is a great team. This will go down as one of the great teams in Ohio State history."

He knows that isn't truly the case. Perfect is perfect, so it's fine to hail these Buckeyes as great, and there is no question they'll go down in school lore. They deserve every last bit of praise. But all season Meyer has said they weren't great, and their play, even on Saturday, showed as much.

link

I've heard Meyer's say with my own ears that this Ohio State was not great and they caught a lot of breaks. Anyways, it doesn't matter. They ain't going anywhere this season. They are done. They are not great. Their record was however. Sometimes that's the way it goes. Meyer did a great job.

This thread makes me laugh

MJ

soundgard

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<< <i>While they are very good, I'm not even sure they are the best team in Ohio. Urban Meyer will be the first to tell you they were very lucky and not a great team. MJ >>



Wrong, Meyer said this week they are a great team and as good as anyone in the country. >>



Right up to the the week before the Michigan game he said this team was far from great and he was right. Only after the Michigan game did he change his tune in typical Meyer fashion.

"It's a great team," Meyer told ESPN after the victory. "We went 12-0. This is a great team. This will go down as one of the great teams in Ohio State history."

He knows that isn't truly the case. Perfect is perfect, so it's fine to hail these Buckeyes as great, and there is no question they'll go down in school lore. They deserve every last bit of praise. But all season Meyer has said they weren't great, and their play, even on Saturday, showed as much.

link

I've heard Meyer's say with my own ears that this Ohio State was not great and they caught a lot of breaks. Anyways, it doesn't matter. They ain't going anywhere this season. They are done. They are not great. Their record was however. Sometimes that's the way it goes. Meyer did a great job.

This thread makes me laugh

MJ >>



I cant think of very many college coaches who said their teams were "great" in the middle of the season. You start saying how great you are, then the bragging and arrogance show up. I dont think anyone actually thinks notre dame is "great" if they watched all their games.

Brick

What I heard Meyer say is OSU could compete against anyone in the country. Having been a Buckeye for many years and seeing some great teams there is no doubt in my mind this team is not in that group. However they accomplished everything and more that was possible. This was a team that did not give up in spite of the sanctions on post season play. They had several tremendous road wins against tough competition. Could they win the Championship against one of the SEC teams, probably not. Could they beat Notre Dame for the Championship, probably and it would not be as close as some may believe. But we have to live with reality. Notre Dame will play an SEC team and the Buckeyes will stay home. BTW I just realized the OSU coaches initials are UM. I think I will be sick.

Justacommeman

<< <i>What I heard Meyer say is OSU could compete against anyone in the country. Having been a Buckeye for many years and seeing some great teams there is no doubt in my mind this team is not in that group. However they accomplished everything and more that was possible. This was a team that did not give up in spite of the sanctions on post season play. They had several tremendous road wins against tough competition. Could they win the Championship against one of the SEC teams, probably not. Could they beat Notre Dame for the Championship, probably and it would not be as close as some may believe. But we have to live with reality. Notre Dame will play an SEC team and the Buckeyes will stay home. BTW I just realized the OSU coaches initials are UM. I think I will be sick. >>



Well said Brick. MJ

MCMLVTopps

Buckeyes can't be called "the real National champions"...perhaps big 10. The championship game is yet to be played, and who's to say they'd win?

Sadly, like Penn State players, those on the 2012 Buckeye roster did nothing wrong. Punishment should have been in extreme fines against the University and management, not against future players who had nothing to do with child molestation, or selling uniforms for cash and tatoos. Paterno and Tressel let the respective universities down...and the idiot powers to be punished with a far too heavy hand against those who played so hard this year.

soundgard

<< <i>Buckeyes can't be called "the real National champions"...perhaps big 10. The championship game is yet to be played, and who's to say they'd win?

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Because in college football the national champion is determined by vote and not on the field. There are other one loss teams who deserve to be playing against notre dame besides alabama. Like oregon and kansas state among others. Last year oklahoma state couldve easily been picked but were robbed. But thats the flawed system we now have in place.

In years past both the NFF, and UPI picked the national champion BEFORE the bowl games were played. So not far fetched to call Ohio state this years national champions. Good chance they will end up being the only unbeaten team this year.

goraiders

So not far fetched to call Ohio state this years national champions. Good chance they will end up being the only unbeaten team this year.

HeHe,only in your mind .

theskypilot

Soundgard,
"In years past both the NFF, and UPI picked the national champion BEFORE the bowl games were played. So not far fetched to call Ohio state this years national champions. Good chance they will end up being the only unbeaten team this year."

FACT: AP not any part of BCS anymore. Final regular season AP poll had ND Unaminous #1 and Alabama #2. Ohio State was ranked #3 ( I do not agree with this, I beleive if you can vote for a team on probation then if they have no losses they should have been voted #2 at least. With this being fact: never never never has an idle #3 team jumped above #1 or #2 when those two teams played each other in the final game. With historical data used OHIO STATE can not nor will they finish 1st in the AP and win a share of the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. Who ever wins the game between ND and Bama will win the AP and BCS national Championship. All conjectures are off the table my friend.
Let it rest and blame the Ohio State Officials that decided not to take the probation last year @6 and 6 but this year.

Justacommeman

My Wolverines may have the dubious distinction being the only team of losing to the #1, #2 and #3 teams in the AP polls at this point in the season. The Alabama game was a beat down. I would not like a rematch. The other two games I would be happy to schedule a rematch in my backyard anytime.

MJ

Brick

<< <i>My Wolverines may have the dubious distinction being the only team of losing to the #1, #2 and #3 teams in the AP polls at this point in the season. The Alabama game was a beat down. I would not like a rematch. The other two games I would be happy to schedule a rematch in my backyard anytime.

MJ >>


I think it may return to the Big Two-Little 8,9,10 whatever. As that happens your team and OSU will end up playing twice a year. That may be a big deal at first but I am afraid after time it will water down the rivalry.

coinkat

I don't see the Big Two and the 8 dwarfs coming-

While some teams in the conference have fallen off the face of the earth, others make a statement when it is least expected.

Watch out for Wisconsin and Northwestern in their bowl games- It is statement time

coinkat

And congrats to the Buckeyes- they had a great season.

Worthy of a National Championship? I don't think so

goraiders

<< <i>My Wolverines may have the dubious distinction being the only team of losing to the #1, #2 and #3 teams in the AP polls at this point in the season. The Alabama game was a beat down. I would not like a rematch. The other two games I would be happy to schedule a rematch in my backyard anytime.

Couldnt agree more! Gonna be tought to replace Denard that I do know.I love
my Wolverines but we will be losing alot of players next yr.At least Tampa is only 3hrs
away for S.Carolina game 1-1-13

soundgard

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Worthy of a National Championship? I don't think so >>



They are as worthy as any other team in the country.

coinkat

The only way I would consider Ohio State worthy is if the Big Ten exceeds expectations in their respective Bowl games-

Not looking forward to Georgia-Nebraska

Michigan, Northwestern and Wisconsin need to win

jeffcbay

coinkat, your opinion is a bit swayed by your hatred towards Ohio State.

Justacommeman

<< <i>The only way I would consider Ohio State worthy is if the Big Ten exceeds expectations in their respective Bowl games-

Not looking forward to Georgia-Nebraska

Michigan, Northwestern and Wisconsin need to win >>



The Big Team is an underdog in each of these games. Some heavy underdogs. MJ

coinkat

Contrary to what is written, Ohio State is not my least favorite team in the conference and I always pull for the Buckeyes in non-conference games

I just see the Big Ten teams this year as below average and they need to make a compelling statement in Bowl games for Ohio State to be considered in the National Championship discussion

Justacommeman

Whatever one feels about OSU the point is moot. The winner of the Alabama-ND game will be crowned champion and deservedly so. I suspect a couple of other teams may pass OSU as well in the final AP poll. The 2012 OSU resume is not strong enough and it is incomplete without a bowl.

MJ

coinkat

I do not think a bowl appearance is a requirement- finishing the season unbeaten in a conference that has played well during the year matters. The Big Ten simply has not met expectations.