Players who SHOULD be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame but are not
sportscardtheory
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I'm not really talking borderline. I'm talking players who are past the voting process that you are absolutely SHOCKED aren't enshrined. Who do you have, if anyone?
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On the other hand, with out question, Mike "Mad Dog" Curtis is a HOF player reguardless of any of this silly popularity voting.
Mike "Mad Dog" Curtis
Just as one example, there are so many receivers from the '60's and '70's who are worthy but voters can't seem to judge their numbers in the context of the times (especially the pre-'78 rules) when they were recorded.
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<< <i>I'm still surprised Ray Guy isn't in. >>
+1
<< <i>Cris Carter and Jerry Kramer are the most glaring omissions to me right now. >>
+1
<< <i>I know they still have plenty of time to be voted in...but along with Cris Carter...Tim Brown and Andre Reed. >>
Agreed.
Nick
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A couple QBs I think are deserving; Roman Gabriel and Randall Cunningham.
Finally, out of full disclsoure, not like I am a Raider fan or anything..... ;-)
I am a life-long Raider-Hater; I absolutely despise the Raiders and Al Davis. The only times I've ever rooted for the Raiders was when they'd play a team who the Chargers needed to lose in order to make the playoffs; even then, I grudgingly rooted for the Raiders. The only Raider I've ever liked was Marcus Allen (because he's from San Diego, and I watched him play in high school).
All that said, I just am completely astonished and bewildered as to why Guy and Stabler are not in the Hall of Fame.
Steve
And I, too, am a Steeler fan.
He and L.C. should go in together.
Roger Brown
Jerry Kramer
Billy Wilson
Cris Carter
Ken Anderson
Bobby Dillon
Al Wistert
Lavie Dilweg
Johnny Robinson
Charlie Hennigan
Art Powell
Gino Cappelletti
Lionel Taylor
Tommy Nobis
Lee Roy Jordan
Lemar Parrish
Sterling Sharpe
Tim Brown
<< <i>Alex Karras
Roger Brown
Jerry Kramer
Billy Wilson
Cris Carter
Ken Anderson
Bobby Dillon
Al Wistert
Lavie Dilweg
Johnny Robinson
Charlie Hennigan
Art Powell
Gino Cappelletti
Lionel Taylor
Tommy Nobis
Lee Roy Jordan
Lemar Parrish
Sterling Sharpe
Tim Brown >>
Uh, no.
That being said I have to respectfully disagree that Randall Cunningham is a HOF QB.
Not only did he retire with all time tightend records, he
put the fear of God in defensive players with his blocking.
He just destroyed people downfield.
The sad truth about Smith is the NFL will keep him
out because he was gay and he was the first professional
athlete to die of Aids.
On another Redskins note Larry Brown was argueably the
best running back of his day. His career was cut short by
the pounding he took, from both his number of carries
but also the fight for every yard attitude he ran with.
Sadly if it took Hanburger as long as it did to get in I still have
hope for both of them.
Judging of the Old-Timers will get tougher as more older press
and players pass on because the younger voters taking their place
do not grasp the dif. in the stats of players back then.
If a team only throws 10 - 14 passes in a geme and the receiver catches 5
that's a great game. Some receivers did that every week. 50 - 70 catches back
then was a great season.
That would be like a receiver today catching 15 - 20 balls every game. I haven't
seen a receiver in the modern game catching 240 - 320 balls in a season. And
that's even with these receiver friendly rules. I would hate to see todays WR's
play with the old rules. DB's were allowed to manhandle receivers back then.
One other note the voting was very biased towards certain teams and players
in the early days. Not to say he wasn't deserving, he most def. was, but as an example
Butkus was an automatic write in at middle linebacker in his day. So great linebackers
like Mike Lucci of the sorry Lions was always snubbed.
He finally makes the Pro Bowl in 1971 and wins the MVP with 5 interceptions, 2 returned for touchdowns.
And this is a middle linebacker. lol.
Go old-timers.
OK RANT OVER.
Seriously I'd go with Guy and LC Greenwood. LC will have a tough time because there are already a lot of Steelers in the Hall and Guy has to overcome the voters' prejudice against Punters.
<< <i>Ryan Leaf.
Seriously I'd go with Guy and LC Greenwood. LC will have a tough time because there are already a lot of Steelers in the Hall and Guy has to overcome the voters' prejudice against Punters. >>
Excellent point on the number of players already in. So the 86 Bears have Walter Payton, Mike Singletary, Dan Hampton, and Richard Dent in the HOF. I won't belabor the Jay Hilgenberg case after this post, but my question is, is he not considered a SHOULD BE HOFer because:
- He does not rank with the Dwight Stepehnson/Mike Webster/Dermonti Dawson echelon?
- No one outside Chicago knows his name?
- Is Center simply that difficult of a position to get noticed regardless of performance?
- Is 4 players enough for a team that won a single championship and underperformed after?
Around here it's considered a travesty so I just wanted to check the non-Chicagoan point of view.
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He made the All-Pro and Pro Bowl teams just about
every year.
By the way plenty of people outside of Chicago
know his name since he was on one of the most
publicity friendly teams in NFL history.
Maybe he'd be in if he was in "The Super Bowl Shuffle"!
After Punter & Kicker ranks the lowly Center.
<< <i>
After Punter & Kicker ranks the lowly Center. >>
I definitely agree. Kent Hull basically led the Bills offensive juggernaut to 4 consecutive Super Bowls in the early '90s and helped pave the way for Thurman Thomas, who is an all-time great, HOF running back. He ran that no-huddle offense. He deserves to be in the HOF.
O-Lineman that I think should be in, Walt Sweeney and Ed Budde.
Karl Mechlenburg
Randy Grandishar
Andre Reed
Not counting Carter and Brown as they will be in soon IMO
<< <i>Alex Karras
Roger Brown
Jerry Kramer
Billy Wilson
Cris Carter
Ken Anderson
Bobby Dillon
Al Wistert
Lavie Dilweg
Johnny Robinson
Charlie Hennigan
Art Powell
Gino Cappelletti
Lionel Taylor
Tommy Nobis
Lee Roy Jordan
Lemar Parrish
Sterling Sharpe
Tim Brown >>
Roger Craig, Chuck Howley,Ray Guy, Ken Stabler, Joe Jacoby, LC Greenwood, Donnie Shell, Bobby Howton, andre Reed should be added to this list which is one of the most complete I've seen. Personally, I'm a homer for Phil Simms
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<< <i>Phil Simms and Ken Stabler >>
Good,another vote for Phil!
1. Al Wistert
2. Ed Meador
3. Johnny Robinson
4. Cliff Harris
5. Ken Stabler
6. Mac Speedie
7. Joe Fortunato
8. L.C Greenwood
9. Fred Arbanas
10. Ed Sprinkel
Honorable Mention
Ken Anderson
Mike Stratton
George Saimes
Jim Tyrer
Alex Karras
Tommy Nobis
<< <i>My top 10
1. Al Wistert
2. Ed Meador
3. Johnny Robinson
4. Cliff Harris
5. Ken Stabler
6. Mac Speedie
7. Joe Fortunato
8. L.C Greenwood
9. Fred Arbanas
10. Ed Sprinkel
Honorable Mention
Ken Anderson
Mike Stratton
George Saimes
Jim Tyrer
Alex Karras
Tommy Nobis >>
Jim Tyrer may have been the best O-Lineman of his era and his on field accomplishments would be good enough to get him in. Killing his wife is what kept him out.
linky
Jim Tyrer - One of the initial acquired brain injury victims?
Steve At-water
Lomas Brown
Ken Riley
Carl Eller...he is already there, Jim Marshall should join him
Lenny Moore...is also already there, which is why I meant Herman Moore
Edited to fix my lack of focus.