Opinions on this toned proof Franklin, AT or NT? ... [UPDATED WITH RESULTS FROM PCGS]

WingedLiberty1957 · October 30, 2012 7:44AM

Bought this raw Proof Franklin today.
What do you think ... AT or NT ... and why?

Is this worth rolling the dice with PCGS, or don't even bother?

These are all photos I snapped with my iPhone ... completely raw and un-enhanced photos.
Sorry the images are a bit blurry (all hand held).

SullivanNumismatics · October 30, 2012 7:49AM

WingedLiberty1957 · October 30, 2012 7:50AM

In terms of color progression ... do you mean this ?

It looks at least somewhat like 2nd cycle to 3rd cycle coloration ... and I think i am seeing the right colors next to each other on the coin (or am I seeing things).

LindeDad · October 30, 2012 8:22AM

I think this one will grade. And you are looking at the right scale to determine it IMO.

segoja · October 30, 2012 8:27AM

AT AT AT

blu62vette · October 30, 2012 8:29AM

That one is a toss up to me. When I put it in photoshop and auto-color it, it is less pink which gives me more hope for you.

segoja · October 30, 2012 8:32AM

It has the oil spill look = AT

raycyca · October 30, 2012 8:48AM

AT all the way. No way will it grade at top 3. ICG would be proof 70 star. LOL Sorry

SanctionII · October 30, 2012 9:20AM

I vote AT and would not submit it for grading unless it was a free quarterly submission.

Pretty colors on the coin and it would be a nice coin to have in a raw 1961 proof set.

I remember finding a 1951 proof set years ago in an old style cardboard holder with the plastic slides (like Whitman or Dansco, but a thin dark cardboard holder that contained five holes for a proof set only). The half dollar is a Cameo but when I bought the set the half had two sided neon pink and yellow toning on it. I thought long and hard about whether to dip the half dollar or not and finally did since I wanted an 1951 Cameo half dollar that was black and white.

SkyMan · October 30, 2012 9:30AM

AT. I've seen a fair amount of proof 1961 silver with that pinkish look, but anything beyond that is off the hook.

It's worth rolling the dice on as long as you send it in the cheapest submission category, but don't expect to get lucky. OTOH if PCGS graces it, you've made multiples on the coin.

Cameonut · October 30, 2012 9:34AM

Looks AT to me but I might just send it in if I needed a "filler" to complete an order.

Bochiman · October 30, 2012 9:37AM

Did you get it from the same source as the WLH?

mkman123 · October 30, 2012 10:16AM

The walker looked better and at as well. Same source I bet

bestclser1 · October 30, 2012 10:23AM

I was thinking same source as well!

SUMORADA · October 30, 2012 10:31AM

AT....................

WingedLiberty1957 · January 10, 2013 7:52AM

Results are in ...

PCGS Secure Plus PR65 ... (I did Secure Plus grading so it could be sniffed for illegal chemicals)

The color progression might have been a key determinant for PCGS ...

LanceNewmanOCC · January 10, 2013 7:54AM

<< <i>Results are in ...

PCGS Secure Plus PR65 ... (I did Secure Plus grading so it could be sniffed for illegal chemicals)

>>

LanceNewmanOCC · January 10, 2013 7:57AM

coinsarefun · January 10, 2013 7:57AM

Very cool!!! Beautiful proof....congrats

CoinZip · January 10, 2013 7:57AM

congratz.....sure is pretty

LanceNewmanOCC · January 10, 2013 7:57AM

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wow, the secure plus image blew me away!
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WingedLiberty1957 · January 10, 2013 8:15AM

I just love the reverse ...

ModCrewman · January 10, 2013 8:29AM

Somehow failed to comment when this thread was up the first time around. I think I'd have said that it would grade as that was my opinion as I scrolled through the first post.

Congratulations, that should cover your grading fee.

magikbilly · January 10, 2013 8:30AM

I believed NT after seeing "berty" on my screen - maybe 1" of the scan

Eric

WhiteTornado · January 10, 2013 8:41AM

Nice job! And thanks for showing the color progression chart and how it applied to this particular coin.

keets · January 10, 2013 8:42AM

my initial thought was AT and it remains so even after the grading room examination. too much purple just looks wrong to me, but in the PCGS secure+ holder the sky is the limit in the right venue.

devious · January 10, 2013 8:47AM

I don't know, but I really love the TrueView! AT or not, it's a beautiful coin! Congratulations on getting a grade on that one. It sure is pretty!

DieClash · January 10, 2013 8:59AM

I love the posts that were "definitely AT"; "AT all the way"' "AT AT AT"

And as for the "oil slick" toning look: Toning on coins is a result of "thin film interference" (do a search here on thin film interference - lot's of good stuff), which is the same physics, optics, physiological phenomenon that explains the colors in in an "oil slick" as well as what is seen on the metal surface of coins.

Anyway, I have no opinion as to AT or NT, but PCGS obviously believes it's Market Acceptable. And I love the TruVue images.

WTG!

Justlooking · January 10, 2013 9:02AM

Cool.

Timbuk3 · January 10, 2013 9:41AM

Awesome, congratulations !!!

Pokermandude · January 10, 2013 9:48AM

I would have said AT as well based on the original photos. Seeing the trueview photo sways me slightly in favour of NT, but only because proofs tend to tone strangely like that. Those colors/pattern on a business strike coin would be AT all the way.

Myqqy · January 10, 2013 10:38AM

Crazy wild look to that one- i would have bet that pcgs would have bagged it, but obviously it was worth the risk. What are you plans for the coin?

SkyMan · January 10, 2013 11:43AM

I still believe it is AT, but congratulations on hitting a home run!

Wabbit2313 · January 10, 2013 1:45PM

<< <i>I still believe it is AT, but congratulations on hitting a home run! >>

And JFK graded it.

magikbilly · January 10, 2013 2:04PM

I know what you mean, but I dunno. If I really thought this was an AT job, getting into problem free plastic would not be my idea of a home run.

Eric

mkman123 · January 10, 2013 2:34PM

maybe the sniffer wasn't working the day this was working?

magikbilly · January 10, 2013 2:44PM

Sniffer only gonna sniff for what it was designed to find...

Eric

LindeDad · January 10, 2013 10:57PM

Two things about the original images may have effected viewers decisions. Original images were taken through the flip, and it is a proof coin.

Justacommeman · January 10, 2013 11:21PM

Actually there should have been another choice besides NT or AT. That being MA.

This coin is MA..................well done WL. MJ

WingedLiberty1957 · January 11, 2013 12:23AM

Interesting comments and observations all. Thanks to everybody for posting and sharing your opinions!

I did have Robec shoot this coin raw and out of the slab just before it was sent into PCGS. (I added the grade and cert number to Robecs photo this morning).

Robecs images are a lot less pink/red than the TrueView. I always find it interesting to see how different photographic setups affect the final product. Of course with toners they can change their "look", sometimes drastically, as you adjust lighting angles. And of course lighting type has an impact. In any case, this provides another photographic "view" of this coin.

Just a final note, that, as with most toners, the toning does tend to soften and disappear from some viewing and lighting angles. So what you see below is a max color angle.

Opinions on this toned proof Franklin, AT or NT? ... [UPDATED WITH RESULTS FROM PCGS]

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