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Webster MA: "Rash of phony coins pawned"

GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,843 ✭✭✭✭✭
Love the title of the article.....but not as much as 'antique' silver dollars.


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Detective James T. Hoover shows some of the fake antique coins. (T&G Staff/BRIAN LEE)


"Rash of phony coins pawned"
By Brian Lee TELEGRAM & GAZETTE STAFF



WEBSTER — One had to look closely to see that these antique silver dollars were fake.

An unknown man sold 120 phony coins in return for $2,000 at The Cash Exchange, a pawn shop on Thompson Road, on Oct. 2, according to Webster Police Detective James T. Hoover.

The detective, who has been collecting coins since he was a kid, said he’s never seen a counterfeit coin operation.

“Who would think that you would take the time and effort to counterfeit coins?” he said, adding it would require plates.

The coins had eight different dates spanning 1882 to 1928.

The detective said he is spreading the word so that pawn shops, jewelry stores and antiques dealers don’t get taken.

Already, the same person is suspected of pulling off similar crimes in Auburn, Springfield, Southbridge and other communities throughout New England, the detective said.

Southbridge Police Chief Daniel R. Charette said the man sold 76 counterfeit coins to the Silver Chief recently for about $1,400.

The suspect uses the name Juan Carlos Mendez when making the swap, Detective Hoover said.

He uses immigration cards and passports for identification. Once he used a green card, the detective said.

The man always uses the street number 224, and most times the address does not even exist, the detective said. In Webster he used the nonexistent 224 Day Lane.

The detective compared the bogus coins to a couple of real silver dollars he owns that are worth about $30 to $40 each. The sound was duller when the fakes were dropped on the table. They were plated and did not stick to a magnet.

In addition, the detail of the counterfeit and real coins’ outer rings were different, and each fake coin’s weight varied, he noted.

The pile contained 15 to 20 bogus coins from the 1900s. Another sign they were fake was that they all had similar wear marks, impossible for coins that were in circulation for 100 years, he said.

Detective Hoover said he found out about the local crime through an email from the New England State Police Information Network, a central database to which nearly all pawn shops must submit daily records.

“Come to find out, hundreds and hundreds of these coins have been pawned throughout New England,” he said.

“From what I’m being told they’re Chinese knockoffs,” the detective said.

Telegram.com

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  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    And someone thought they were getting a steal on 1928 Peace dollars.image
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  • coindeucecoindeuce Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So, some genius pawn shop proprietor though he was making a score @ $16.65 per coin, when silver melt value would be about $24/coin. Well done, Zippy!

    "Everything is on its way to somewhere. Everything." - George Malley, Phenomenon
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  • epcjimi1epcjimi1 Posts: 3,489 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The detective, who has been collecting coins since he was a kid, said he’s never seen a counterfeit coin operation.

    “Who would think that you would take the time and effort to counterfeit coins?” he said, adding it would require plates.

    >>



    Yeah. Who'd a thunk.
  • nutmegnutmeg Posts: 345 ✭✭


    << <i>So, some genius pawn shop proprietor though he was making a score @ $16.65 per coin, when silver melt value would be about $24/coin. Well done, Zippy! >>



    I've been in the Cash Exchange and the Silver Chief- no genius material there.
  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,104 ✭✭✭✭✭
    that happened as well in northwestern connecticut area about 8 months ago. the police set up a sting operation and busted the guy for having sold more like that elsewhere.
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    These guys can't even take the time to do a simple ring test? (assuming they know such a thing exists).
    Barbarous Relic No More, LSCC -GoldSeek--shadow stats--SafeHaven--321gold


  • << <i>These guys can't even take the time to do a simple ring test? (assuming they know such a thing exists). >>



    Have you ever talked to a pawn shop owner not the sharpest crayons in the box image
  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Have you ever talked to a pawn shop owner not the sharpest crayons in the box >>



    Talk to me anytime you choose. PM or open forum. Almost any topic.
    Politics to economics or numismatics or guns.

    Not politics now, though.

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  • stealerstealer Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>The detective, who has been collecting coins since he was a kid, said he’s never seen a counterfeit coin operation.

    “Who would think that you would take the time and effort to counterfeit coins?” he said, adding it would require plates.

    >>



    Yeah. Who'd a thunk. >>


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    Personally I thought that was the best quote in the entire article.
  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Somebody needs to send that detective a link to the video of the Chinese minting operation.
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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Obviously that detective, although claiming to be a coin collector, is unbelievably ignorant of today's market and the deceptive practices that are common all over this country. Cheers, RickO
  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,843 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Obviously that detective, although claiming to be a coin collector, is unbelievably ignorant of today's market and the deceptive practices that are common all over this country. Cheers, RickO >>


    RickO nails it as usual. image
  • kiyotekiyote Posts: 5,588 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow... silver has a distinct feel and weight to it, and, like someone mentioned, makes that distinctive ring when tapped on a table.

    Sure hate to see scammers get scammed. image
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