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ScarsdaleCoinScarsdaleCoin Posts: 5,323 ✭✭✭✭✭
Did you hear this crazy story...and what kind of rare Macedonia coins are there?


An Alabama nurse who was on a humanitarian mission in Macedonia is now awaiting a judge's ruling after she was arrested and tried for allegedly stealing rare coins.

Candi Dunlap, of Meridian, Ala., was arrested on Sept. 28 at Macedonia's airport after the coins were found in her carry-on luggage, the Clarion Ledger reported.

The judge had been expected to rule Friday but delayed her decision until next Wednesday.

Others on the mission trip with Dunlap insisted she was given the coins as a thank you from a Macedonian and that she had no idea they were not to be taken from the country.

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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,543 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Smuggler's blues.
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,799 ✭✭✭✭✭
    When I was in Turkey in the mid-90's visiting Ephesus, some folks tried to give me and my friends some ancient coins as a "gift". I am not sure what the play was, but we declined. I learned later that it is illegal to export such items from various countries.
  • I would have thought most if not all US citizens on a humanitarian mission would be briefed prior to departure.Whether in the form of verbal or written information,she might not have much of a leg to stand on regards ownership but i don't see why they don't just confiscate the coins and cut her loose.
    A lot of countries have or had this kind of law , my Dad worked in many countries where leaving said country with any of their banknotes was illegal , i still have those to this day.


  • << <i>Did you hear this crazy story...and what kind of rare Macedonia coins are there? >>



    Coins of Alexander the Great come to mind.
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,543 ✭✭✭✭✭
    When in Rome, do as the Romans.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,778 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>Did you hear this crazy story...and what kind of rare Macedonia coins are there? >>



    Coins of Alexander the Great come to mind. >>



    Not rare and they circulated far and wide in the ancient world.

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  • WillieBoyd2WillieBoyd2 Posts: 5,261 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There is nothing crazy about this story, some countries, like Greece, Italy, and Turkey,
    have laws prohibiting the export of "historical items" or "antiques" which include old coins.

    There is a lot about this story that is unknown, but the main point is that in another country, their rules apply.

    On the other side, it is illegal to bring Harry Potter books from Canada or England into the United States.

    The Macedonia story was posted in the World Coins Forum earlier:

    http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=6&threadid=870451

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  • BarryBarry Posts: 10,100 ✭✭✭


    << <i>When I was in Turkey in the mid-90's visiting Ephesus, some folks tried to give me and my friends some ancient coins as a "gift". I am not sure what the play was, but we declined. I learned later that it is illegal to export such items from various countries. >>


    They were probably fake.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,778 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>When I was in Turkey in the mid-90's visiting Ephesus, some folks tried to give me and my friends some ancient coins as a "gift". I am not sure what the play was, but we declined. I learned later that it is illegal to export such items from various countries. >>


    They were probably fake. >>



    That was my first thought. Because of their relatively crude nature, ancient coins are very heavily counterfeited and many are good enough to fool the experts.

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  • BarryBarry Posts: 10,100 ✭✭✭
    A friend of mine just returned from Turkey. He bought 4 "ancients" for 10 Euros. Asking price was 100 Euros. image
  • WillieBoyd2WillieBoyd2 Posts: 5,261 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here is the Macedonian side of the story:

    Americans frequently caught smuggling antiquities out of Macedonia

    Smuggling priceless antiquities seems to be turning into a sport for American 'tourists' and 'NGO workers' visiting Macedonia.

    Just last month a US citizen was caught on the Macedonian Serbian border attempting to leave the country with a bag full of priceless figures, coins and other antiquities.

    A week later, another American, Mrs. Candi Dunlop was detained attempting to leave Macedonia at Skopje's international airport after customs authorities discovered numerous priceless coins dating back to 1,200 BC.

    On the black market, such coins may easily fetch millions.

    The two previos Americans quickly confessed their guilt, while Mrs Dunlop maintained the coins were simply a gift from an unnamed Macedonian citizen.

    Although Macedonians are famous for their hospitality, there are hardly any Macedonians who give up national treasures worth in the millions as a "gift".

    http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/22062/2

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  • scotty1419scotty1419 Posts: 930 ✭✭✭
    hah oh jeez - "WORTH MILLIONS" - THE AMERICANS ARE STEALING MILLIONS FROM OUR HERITAGE!

    Uh, maybe a little bit less?
  • WillieBoyd2WillieBoyd2 Posts: 5,261 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Macedonia television video of the goods:

    The text is in Macedonian (Cyrillic alphabet), a Google translation to English is below.

    The coins look like late Roman bronzes, and there are a lot of them.

    http://kanal5.com.mk/default.aspx?mId=37&egId=13&eventId=97882

    Shvercerka or humanitarian - Candy Danlap wept before judges

    Humanitarian or artifacts smuggler? Defense and prosecution told their closing arguments in the case against American Candy Danlap accused last month Macedonian tried out ancient coins and archaeological objects priceless.

    The prosecution argued that the nurse Danlap intentionally attempted to smuggle valuables. Was come to the humanitarian mission, and did not have any license or document. A coin has been given by the local population in Stip and the environment as she claimed, but archaeological items came from museums.

    Defense again said umislata in this case is not proven, because it did not exist. Danlap coins received as a token of appreciation for her help and mission, and if they knew that valuable had in their hand luggage to transfer the airport.

    Her lawyers said Danlap did not know how much wealth brings in his coin purse because some thought that buttons.

    The defendant in the courtroom accompanied her relatives and representatives from the U.S. Embassy. She started crying and said that he regretted what he had done, but thought that in America returns with souvenirs from their humanitarian mission.

    Candy Danlap 28 last month was arrested Alexander departure from Macedonia, with a bag full of archaeological objects, and some coins came from the second century BC. She is in custody in solitary confinement Skopje and there you wait for the judgment which will be pronounced on Wednesday.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,778 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>A week later, another American, Mrs. Candi Dunlop was detained attempting to leave Macedonia at Skopje's international airport after customs authorities discovered numerous priceless coins dating back to 1,200 BC. >>



    Can you find us a pic of a coin from 1200BC? My understanding was that coins were first minted in about 650BC out of electrum.

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  • WillieBoyd2WillieBoyd2 Posts: 5,261 ✭✭✭✭✭
    As to the article, I suspect that the "1200 BC" is either a mistake or a typo.

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  • The world in some cases has gone mad!!!
  • ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,676 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The story doesn't sound crazy to me. As Willie Boyd pointed out, taking artifacts out of countries is illegal and considered to be stealing national treasures. It also applies to countries like Egypt,and Peru, where huaqueros (grave robbers) have been a serious problem. Yes, the Gringo is typically offered fakes, but if this woman in fact got these artifacts from museums, she'll be staying in Skopje for quite some time.

    Too many countries with rich, ancient histories have their national treasures stolen by individuals and by Western powers (if memory serves me correct, the English have been the worst offenders), and understandably, want to put a stop to this sort of thing.
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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,671 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Here is the Macedonian side of the story:

    Americans frequently caught smuggling antiquities out of Macedonia

    Smuggling priceless antiquities seems to be turning into a sport for American 'tourists' and 'NGO workers' visiting Macedonia.

    Just last month a US citizen was caught on the Macedonian Serbian border attempting to leave the country with a bag full of priceless figures, coins and other antiquities.

    A week later, another American, Mrs. Candi Dunlop was detained attempting to leave Macedonia at Skopje's international airport after customs authorities discovered numerous priceless coins dating back to 1,200 BC.

    On the black market, such coins may easily fetch millions.

    The two previos Americans quickly confessed their guilt, while Mrs Dunlop maintained the coins were simply a gift from an unnamed Macedonian citizen.

    Although Macedonians are famous for their hospitality, there are hardly any Macedonians who give up national treasures worth in the millions as a "gift".

    http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/22062/2

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    There are no "coins" from 1200 B.C.
    Not arguing with the poster, just the source.

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  • Priceless antiquities my ass.

    What a joke. While it is impossible to tell for sure, all of those coins appear to be either copper or bronze and in horrid condition. It seems highly unlikely a single one is worth more than $100 on the open market (and that would be assuming some rare type).

    Frankly, this whole thing smells like a setup.
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,543 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Every once in a while, government needs to set a precedence.
    Personally, I hope the young woman is exonerated, but understand the seriousness of the charges.
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,671 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Did you hear this crazy story...and what kind of rare Macedonia coins are there?


    An Alabama nurse who was on a humanitarian mission in Macedonia is now awaiting a judge's ruling after she was arrested and tried for allegedly stealing rare coins.

    Candi Dunlap, of Meridian, Ala., was arrested on Sept. 28 at Macedonia's airport after the coins were found in her carry-on luggage, the Clarion Ledger reported.

    The judge had been expected to rule Friday but delayed her decision until next Wednesday.

    Others on the mission trip with Dunlap insisted she was given the coins as a thank you from a Macedonian and that she had no idea they were not to be taken from the country. >>



    Wait a minute ... is she charged with "stealing" the coins, or "attempting to smuggle them out of the country."

    To me there is a difference.
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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,799 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Priceless antiquities my ass.

    What a joke. While it is impossible to tell for sure, all of those coins appear to be either copper or bronze and in horrid condition. It seems highly unlikely a single one is worth more than $100 on the open market (and that would be assuming some rare type).

    Frankly, this whole thing smells like a setup. >>


    And this is why I am glad that I did not accept the "gift" of free coins from strangers when I was in Turkey. image

    Ever see Midnight Express?
  • CoinRaritiesOnlineCoinRaritiesOnline Posts: 3,681 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>And this is why I am glad that I did not accept the "gift" of free coins from strangers when I was in Turkey. image

    Ever see Midnight Express? >>



    That movie did have a happy ending, so I'm sure you'd have been just fine ultimately.
  • WillieBoyd2WillieBoyd2 Posts: 5,261 ✭✭✭✭✭
    According to the Mississippi Clarion Ledger, Ms. Dunlap was released from jail.

    Meridian nurse practitioner and medical missionary Candi Dunlap gets to come home tonight.

    A judge in Skopje, Macedonia ruled early today that Dunlap, accused of trying to smuggle 256 coins out of that country considered historical artifacts by the government, will be released, but that she’s banned from entering Macedonia for 10 years, said Adam Buckalew, spokesman for U.S. Rep. Gregg Harper, R-Miss.

    Dunlap also must serve a two-year parole from Macedonia in the United States, Buckalew said. "I don’t know what the stipulations are on that so far as her checking in with the (Macedonian) government," he said.

    Buckalew said he got word on Dunlap’s fate at about 8 a.m. today from the diplomatic corps at the U.S. Embassy in Macedonia. Dunlap also must pay a small fine equivalent to about $300 in the United States, Buckalew said.

    http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20121024/NEWS/310240050/Meridian-nurse-leaving-Macedonian-jail-coming-home

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  • CoinspongeCoinsponge Posts: 3,927 ✭✭✭
    Just being a little conspiratorial here but I wonder if the government could have set this group up to extort modern American money from them. Those kind of things can happen.
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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,126 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The world in some cases has gone mad!!! >>

    and its not getting any better image
  • renomedphysrenomedphys Posts: 3,800 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Ever see Midnight Express? >>



    That movie did have a happy ending, so I'm sure you'd have been just fine ultimately. >>



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    I like John's comments. Obvious sign of superior intellect image
  • WillieBoyd2WillieBoyd2 Posts: 5,261 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There is no doubt that Candi will be telling her story on television.

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