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David Hall Numismatic Investment Group - is there a grade guarantee??

LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,447 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Hall flip - needs conserving??

I collect these but this is the first I've seen with serious issues. The coin is in a container sealed inside the flip - interesting.........image
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.

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  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,447 ✭✭✭✭✭
    PS - Here's the auction.

    Ebay auction
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,799 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am going to guess that there is no guarantee that is in effect. Those flips are hardly tamperproof.
    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Predates Collectors Universe and not even sure they had a warranty program.
    And yes the coins are in a cointain inside the heat sealed flip.
    Edit to add many of the good ones have made it into new slabs at higher grades as these used to be sought avidly by the crack out artists.
    image
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  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,137 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Send an email to D.H., he might be interested in buying this one. image
    "Bongo drive 1984 Lincoln that looks like old coin dug from ground."
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,763 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I am going to guess that there is no guarantee that is in effect. Those flips are hardly tamperproof. >>



    His flips were sonicaly sealed with a special seal that incorporated his name. It would be difficult to tamper with it without it being detected. You can see it in the eBay pics in the attachment.



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  • GrumpyEdGrumpyEd Posts: 4,749 ✭✭✭
    Bummer.

    I thought that most of these were in the containers that fit the coin without the gasket ring. (might be wrong)
    Ed
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,447 ✭✭✭✭✭
    When I started this, couldn't find the "tongue in cheek" icon........image
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
  • MeltdownMeltdown Posts: 8,941 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have a few examples of those flips. I've never before seen a lincoln cent though.
    image
    image

    Click on this link to see my ebay listings.

  • illini420illini420 Posts: 11,466 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I only have one Lincoln Cent in these old David Hall flips... looks much nicer than the eBay example though!!!

    imageimage


    Also, the typing on the labels looks a bit different in the eBay example... is that an earlier or later example you think???

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  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,447 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've noticed at least 6 different combos of font, placement of data, etc, not including the number of times his name was used on the seal and not including the brown version. Not sure it means much other than he was experimenting at the time. Here are 6 different styles.

    image
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,483 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I tested those holders years ago only to find that they left a film of some kind on the coins. The bottom picture shows where I used a toothpick to remove some of the film on the coat in vertical strokes.
    image

    Needless to say, I don't use those holders. I'm presently testing the IS holders with a few lower grade but lustrous coins.

    The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!

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  • GrumpyEdGrumpyEd Posts: 4,749 ✭✭✭
    Interesting, the cents and some of the dimes have the gasket rings in the inner container.
    Ed
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,447 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I tested those holders years ago.......

    You're referring to the gasket ones - correct?? Interesting...........
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
  • KoveKove Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I tested those holders years ago only to find that they left a film of some kind on the coins. >>




    Same here. I put some silver coins in those gasket holders (I think they are called AirTite) back in the 1980s, about the same time David Hall was using them. When I looked at them again a couple of years ago, I noticed an unattractive film on all the coins. I don't think that foam is inert.
  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,483 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I tested those holders years ago.......

    You're referring to the gasket ones - correct?? Interesting........... >>



    More like a sturdy porous foam. Were there two kinds?

    The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!

    My Jefferson Nickel Collection

  • claychaserclaychaser Posts: 4,406 ✭✭✭✭
    This is obvious environmental damage - and I would guess due to poor storage conditions over the years after being sold by Hall. No buyback unless for the nuisance value.


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