Advice solicited: what would you do with this holder/card?

radman

I recently won a card on eBay that arrived with the holder depicted; at the left lower corner, there is a crack, and there might be 'frosting' on the central and right portion of the lower edge. What would you do?

1. Nothing; just keep the card. (59 Spahn PSA-7, shipping AND insurance was $7 or so total)
2. Ask the seller for a refund (include the original shipping and insurance, and/or the return shipping and insurance??)
3. Plan to reholder the card (minimum cost is reholder fee plus shipping and insurance 2 ways to/from PSA = close to $20, right?) and ask seller for adjustment to cover this.
4. Other.

Thanks to any and all in advance -- I appreciate your wisdom and opinions.



BTW: apologies in advance if this message and image don't format properly -- Preview doesn't seem to work on my browser (IE9-64)

swartz1

handyman

If you paid 7.00 sh I would want a full refund.

radman

the $7 included insurance, if that makes any difference -- I'll edit my OP to make this more clear

MeeMahMother

I'd continue to simlpy repeat the photo in this thread for no apparent reason like swartz did. There is no other reason to comment.

radman

My fault on the repeat photo. swartz1 gave me an assist because my original image link was faulty. I PM'ed a big Thank You! and fixed my link.

cardbender

Did the holder get cracked in transit? If that's the case, the seller owes you for a
reholdering fee due to their poor packaging job. The amount the seller charged
you for shipping is irrelevant. All sellers should package items well enough to
avoid damaging the item in shipment.

If the card holder was already cracked and you didn't notice this before buying,
it's on you to take care of the reholdering.

Many sellers list graded cards with cracked holders and don't mention anything
in their descriptions about the damaged holder. Usually those cards sell for slightly less than
the normal going rate because buyers factor in the reholdering cost into their bids.

Brick

I would look at the auction scan to see if it was in that condition and if it was I would simply have it reholdered next time I sent a submission ay my expense. If it was not in that condition I would check if the insurance would kick in since the P.O. obviously was at fault. Either way I don't see where the seller would be at fault unless he concealed the problem intentionally. Actually I would probably not check on insurance, I would simply have it reholdered. If PSA said that card does not belong in that holder that's another story.

handyman

My point that he spent 7.00 sh abd I would think the thing would get a box or something that would protect the card. With the case being damaged it looks like he sent it in a plain white envelope or something. If he paid 7.00 the that should include insurance like the buyer said it did. And because he paid insurance. I think he deserves a refund for sure.

swartz1

the case is cracked in the auction pic shown...

radman

Thank you for the replies. I didn't frontload the thread with too many details because (a) I didn't want it to be too wordy, (b) I wanted to benefit from your unbiased thought processes. In retrospect, the crack was on 1 of 2 of the listing images, but the bottom edge was partially cut off so that it isn't on the other listing image, and the 'frosted area' is cut off. The packaging was undamaged.

radman

<< <i>I would look at the auction scan to see if it was in that condition and if it was I would simply have it reholdered next time I sent a submission ay my expense. If it was not in that condition I would check if the insurance would kick in since the P.O. obviously was at fault. Either way I don't see where the seller would be at fault unless he concealed the problem intentionally. Actually I would probably not check on insurance, I would simply have it reholdered. If PSA said that card does not belong in that holder that's another story. >>



Thank you for your thoughts.

Re: "unless he concealed the problem intentionally" -- I contacted the seller, and his initial response to my brief initial inquiry (that there was a crack) was that "there was no damage to the holder as evidenced by the auction photo" -- so he was unaware of the crack and frosting. So, I am not implying that he was concealing it, but he makes it clear he was unaware of it. Was I supposed to appreciate the crack from the corner of a cut-off photo to a greater degree than the listing party?

Re: "If PSA said that card does not belong in that holder that's another story." Agreed; that is part of my fear, too, and I won't know for weeks (or months, if I wait for my next submission as logically suggested), by which time the seller probably won't be interested in addressing this anymore. I can try to judge if I think it is properly a 7, but haven't we all had cards come back 'trimmed' or else despite our best opinions?

JoeBanzai

Crack clearly shows in auction photo and does not really effect card at all, or you would have noticed it.

Take care of it yourself, the amount charged for shipping seems to be too high, but that is a separate issue.

Also says "no returns on graded cards" in item description, even though eBay will not hold you to that.

Joe

OAKESY25

there is no frosting and the case was cracked before shipping and visible enough to notice in the scan.
I say the item is as described and move on to the next, wait til you have a few to reholder and send em in together.

Griffins

$7 for a '59 Spahn PSA 7? While I"m sure the seller would be happy to get it back, I'd hang onto it. Can't beat the price and the holder crack doesn't effect the card.
Too many people worrying about the condition of the holder. Are they collecting holders or cards?

Mickey71

Just keep the card. Reholder and shipping would be $30

Dboneesq

<< <i>$7 for a '59 Spahn PSA 7? While I"m sure the seller would be happy to get it back, I'd hang onto it. Can't beat the price and the holder crack doesn't effect the card. Too many people worrying about the condition of the holder. Are they collecting holders or cards? >>


Anthony ... he spent $78.00 on the card PLUS $7.00 shipping. The way the OP wrote it that was my first impression as well ... until I looked it up on eBay.
Here is the auction.

radman

<<1. Nothing; just keep the card. (59 Spahn PSA-7, shipping AND insurance was $7 or so total)>>


Apologies again. Should have written "(The card is a 1959 Warren Spahn, graded PSA-7; shipping and insurance (not including the winning bid for the card) was $6.99)"

I suppose that one could reasonably surmise from the comments that the recommended course of action might depend on the cost of the card, and that seems logical. In this case the winning bid was slightly above SMR; however, SMR does not differentiate between the variations, and I believe that this variation is the most common or 2nd most common, despite the listing info provided by the seller.

WinPitcher

Message the seller and depending on what remedy you want see if he will do it.

Refund, partial refund or re holder fee are the obvious remedies that come to mind.

Under no circumstances mention feedback.


Good Luck.


Edited to add: Just because the picture shows the crack does not mean that the seller
did not have to mention it in his description. IMO that was a tad sleazy.

Dboneesq

<< <i>In this case the winning bid was slightly above SMR; however, SMR does not differentiate between the variations, and I believe that this variation is the most common or 2nd most common, despite the listing info provided by the seller. >>


Radman ... FYI the VCP (which, IMO, is a more accurate value) on this variation is $84.00, so you paid a little less than the VCP. Not sure if that will effect what you do ... just wanted to let you know. Good luck.

blee1

I'm sorry, but if it shows in the photo for the auction. Then that is what you bought.....and it does.