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  • << <i>There is a little too much Romney excitement in this thread. >>




    As there was when Team USA (a great underdog) beat the mighty Soviets in Lake Placid in Ice Hockey.
  • LowBudgetLowBudget Posts: 383 ✭✭


    << <i>There is a little too much Romney excitement in this thread. He did well last night its true , but his version of foot in mouth disease tends to strike without warning image he can undo any gains he might have made in the blink of an eye >>

    all depends since media is covering over Obamas gaffes ...if Obama screws up the left wing spin protects him.like when he said the deaths at embassy was a bump in the road...Obama isn't fit for office.
    "I'm dropping my standards so that I can buy more"
  • piecesofmepiecesofme Posts: 6,669 ✭✭✭
    I see Obama '08 bumper stickers and '12 bumper stickers on the same cars

    I saw a guy smoking in his mega-pickup truck today at a stoplight and he had a bumper sticker that said, "Save Medi-care, vote Democratic".
    I yelled at him as I passed him, " STOP SMOKING!"
    To forgive is to free a prisoner, and to discover that prisoner was you.
  • reddwingreddwing Posts: 137 ✭✭
    Does this question and or poll even belong on this board?
  • dpooledpoole Posts: 5,940 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Does this question and or poll even belong on this board? >>



    All PM stackers are pulling for an Obama win.

    Of COURSE it belongs on this board! image
  • piecesofmepiecesofme Posts: 6,669 ✭✭✭
    Does this question and or poll even belong on this board?


    Gee, I don't know? Does this one belong on the PM Forum too?

    Sounds like a disgruntled BO supporter to me image
    To forgive is to free a prisoner, and to discover that prisoner was you.
  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,012 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Does this question and or poll even belong on this board?


    Gee, I don't know? Does this one belong on the PM Forum too?

    Sounds like a disgruntled BO supporter to me image >>



    Yes image


    This election is so much about the economy. If Obama wins.... PM will get a little pop. If Romney wins.... PM will get a little drop.


    Then reality sets in. No one person controls the economy, especially now that we are so global.
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  • nibannynibanny Posts: 2,761


    << <i>Does this question and or poll even belong on this board? >>



    56 replies so far. All the most active members were part of the discussion.
    In my opinion, it does belong to the forum.
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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,012 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Does this question and or poll even belong on this board? >>



    All PM stackers are pulling for an Obama win.

    Of COURSE it belongs on this board! image >>





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    My PMs SOoooooooOOOOOooooo want an Obama win.


    QEternal.

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  • secondrepublicsecondrepublic Posts: 2,619 ✭✭✭
    A quote worth passing along (author unknown):

    "The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable
    of entrusting an inexperienced man like him with the Presidency. It will be far
    easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the
    necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to
    have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more
    serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the
    prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools
    that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama. It is less
    likely to survive a multitude of Idiots such as those who made him their
    president."
    "Men who had never shown any ability to make or increase fortunes for themselves abounded in brilliant plans for creating and increasing wealth for the country at large." Fiat Money Inflation in France, Andrew Dickson White (1912)
  • piecesofmepiecesofme Posts: 6,669 ✭✭✭
    QEternal

    You should copyright that! That was good! image
    To forgive is to free a prisoner, and to discover that prisoner was you.
  • renman95renman95 Posts: 7,037 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>A quote worth passing along (author unknown):

    "The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable
    of entrusting an inexperienced man like him with the Presidency. It will be far
    easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the
    necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to
    have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more
    serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the
    prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools
    that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama. It is less
    likely to survive a multitude of Idiots such as those who made him their
    president." >>



    Dis.

    In old kountry renski say, "beware of gov't-education complex."
  • GrumpyEdGrumpyEd Posts: 4,749 ✭✭✭


    << <i>"beware of gov't-education complex." >>



    image
    Ed
  • LowBudgetLowBudget Posts: 383 ✭✭
    I really hope Ag drops so I can load up for a change....
    "I'm dropping my standards so that I can buy more"
  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭
    well the official unemployment rate just dipped to 7.8%. Lowest rate in over four years. Convenient print. Too funny. No wonder Obama took the night off. Take that Mitt.image

    Gold may not like this today.

    MJ
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  • streeterstreeter Posts: 4,312 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It isn't just this PM forum that leaned toward Romney,

    see what another culture had to say....

    BTW, the Brits and Aussies seem to know more about what's going on in this country than we do....

    http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/10/04/obamas-very-very-bad-no-good-day-continues/

    linky dinky
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  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,790 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>well the official unemployment rate just dipped to 7.8%. Lowest rate in over four years. Convenient print. Too funny. No wonder Obama took the night off. Take that Mitt.image

    Gold may not like this today.

    MJ >>


    gold knows the truth. image

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  • It will end up being inconsequential that Romney won the debate. Obama will win the election.
  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,290 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>What debate? >>



    Indeed.

    image >>



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  • << <i>It will end up being inconsequential that Romney won the debate. Obama will win the election. >>



    NOT
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  • streeterstreeter Posts: 4,312 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>It will end up being inconsequential that Romney won the debate. Obama will win the election. >>





    spoken by a forum member with a looooooooong track posting record for all to peruse.image


    Have a nice day
  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,012 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>It will end up being inconsequential that Romney won the debate. Obama will win the election. >>



    Obama is spouting hte same ole', same ole'

    He is making Romney look fresh.


    Romney is definitely winnig post debate.


    Biden vs. Ryan is almost certainly not going to help.



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  • OperationButterOperationButter Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Romney is definitely winnig post debate. >>



    Where do you see this at? All the polls I can find online are showing Obama winning... by a hefty margin :/
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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,012 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Romney is definitely winnig post debate. >>



    Where do you see this at? All the polls I can find online are showing Obama winning... by a hefty margin :/ >>




    just in the war of words
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  • vibr0nicvibr0nic Posts: 614 ✭✭✭
    Romney looked prepared and confident. Obviously, he had a lot of practice thanks to the Republican primary debates. He appeared to win the debate, and appearances are what matter most in that forum. The president just looked like he didn't even want to be there, which is strange, because he destroyed McCain (IMO) in the debates and it catapulted his entire campaign four years ago.

    I don't really care for either candidate. It's dog turd vs cat turd. By the way, the presidential race isn't close AT ALL - the media continues to pretend it's close to keep you tuned in. Nate Silver will give you the real deal if you want stats on the race, state-by-state (instead of the ultimately meaningless nationwide polls) from a true non-partisan statistical standpoint. The guy is dead on and freaking brilliant in his approach and analysis. Romney supporters won't what he has to tell you, though.
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  • << <i>Romney looked prepared and confident. Obviously, he had a lot of practice thanks to the Republican primary debates. He appeared to win the debate, and appearances are what matter most in that forum. The president just looked like he didn't even want to be there, which is strange, because he destroyed McCain (IMO) in the debates and it catapulted his entire campaign four years ago.

    I don't really care for either candidate. It's dog turd vs cat turd. By the way, the presidential race isn't close AT ALL - the media continues to pretend it's close to keep you tuned in. Nate Silver will give you the real deal if you want stats on the race, state-by-state (instead of the ultimately meaningless nationwide polls) from a true non-partisan statistical standpoint. The guy is dead on and freaking brilliant in his approach and analysis. Romney supporters won't what he has to tell you, though. >>



    No Potential Bias Here, Nah...

    Lets see, Nate says " I vote for Democratic candidates the majority of the time (though by no means always). This year, I have been a supporter of Barack Obama"

    Sally Silver, Mother of Nate, is a community activist in Michigan...... sound familiar to anyone from chicago ?

    Brian Silver, Father of Nate, University of Michigan Political Science professor. University of Michigan 2012 donations to Hussein $191,662 making it the 20th highest donor in 2012.

    Just a little history; Nate Silver was born in East Lansing, Michigan, the son of Sally Silver, a community activist, and Brian D. Silver, a former chair of the political science department at Michigan State University.

    Nah, No really serious potential bias in this stew....
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  • secondrepublicsecondrepublic Posts: 2,619 ✭✭✭
    Nate Silver is a major propagandist for Obama and the Democrats; the idea that he's somehow an objective observer is laughable. Silver spends a huge amount of time trying to discredit Rasmussen (the most accurate 2008 pollster) for supposedly having a Republican bias. When Romney chose Ryan as his running mate, Silver wrote an article immediately calling it a desperation move. No, Silver is not an observer; he's a participant trying to swing the election to the Democrats through creative use and interpretation of polling data and trying to undercut those like Rasmussen who are in his way.
    "Men who had never shown any ability to make or increase fortunes for themselves abounded in brilliant plans for creating and increasing wealth for the country at large." Fiat Money Inflation in France, Andrew Dickson White (1912)
  • vibr0nicvibr0nic Posts: 614 ✭✭✭
    By all means, tell me where i can find another site that has more timely, comprehensive, and accurate predictions of elections.
    I like large size currency and silver dollars.


  • << <i>That wasn’t a debate so much as Mitt Romney just took Obama for a cross country drive strapped to the roof of his car. >>



    Nice. image
  • secondrepublicsecondrepublic Posts: 2,619 ✭✭✭


    << <i>By all means, tell me where i can find another site that has more timely, comprehensive, and accurate predictions of elections. >>



    you'll find the same predictions at the Obama campaign site image
    "Men who had never shown any ability to make or increase fortunes for themselves abounded in brilliant plans for creating and increasing wealth for the country at large." Fiat Money Inflation in France, Andrew Dickson White (1912)
  • vibr0nicvibr0nic Posts: 614 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>By all means, tell me where i can find another site that has more timely, comprehensive, and accurate predictions of elections. >>



    you'll find the same predictions at the Obama campaign site image >>



    I ask again, please, tell me who publishes more accurate political probabilities and polling analysis online than Nate Silver (Five Thirty Eight)?

    To quote his own Wikipedia page : "[In the] November 2008 presidential election predictions—he correctly predicted the winner of 49 of the 50 states... The only state he missed was Indiana, which went for Barack Obama by 1%. He also correctly predicted the winner of all 35 Senate races that year."

    Who cares what political affiliations he or his family has? Numbersusa throwing around flimsy conjecture in an attempt to discredit his mathematical modeling or accuracy is what is truly laughable to me.

    Again, the race is not remotely close based on his current analysis. However, the media at large would like you to think it is, so that you stay tuned. We will see if the debates swing things dramatically for Romney, because he sure as heck needs a dramatic change to have a chance.
    I like large size currency and silver dollars.
  • secondrepublicsecondrepublic Posts: 2,619 ✭✭✭
    The race is not close? It was within the margin of error even before the debate -- see realclearpolitics.com and many other sites.

    Silver has an agenda, as does his employer, the NY Times, and it's foolish to pretend otherwise. It brings to mind the old saying -- there are lies, damn lies, and statistics.
    "Men who had never shown any ability to make or increase fortunes for themselves abounded in brilliant plans for creating and increasing wealth for the country at large." Fiat Money Inflation in France, Andrew Dickson White (1912)


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    << <i>

    << <i>By all means, tell me where i can find another site that has more timely, comprehensive, and accurate predictions of elections. >>



    you'll find the same predictions at the Obama campaign site image >>



    I ask again, please, tell me who publishes more accurate political probabilities and polling analysis online than Nate Silver (Five Thirty Eight)?

    To quote his own Wikipedia page : "[In the] November 2008 presidential election predictions—he correctly predicted the winner of 49 of the 50 states... The only state he missed was Indiana, which went for Barack Obama by 1%. He also correctly predicted the winner of all 35 Senate races that year."

    Who cares what political affiliations he or his family has? Numbersusa throwing around flimsy conjecture in an attempt to discredit his mathematical modeling or accuracy is what is truly laughable to me.

    Again, the race is not remotely close based on his current analysis. However, the media at large would like you to think it is, so that you stay tuned. We will see if the debates swing things dramatically for Romney, because he sure as heck needs a dramatic change to have a chance. >>




    What flimsy conjecture.... Thats Nate Silvers Quote, His own words, he owns them. And if the Family thing is untrue in anyway please advise with actual confirmable information.

    Also, one of the many things learned in college is to trust no model because the model is constructed by a person and that person can have wrong assumptions, wrong data or may be a self admited die hard leftist Hussein Zombie. That New York times is a really credible paper, the local police call it the Moscow rag.
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  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,790 ✭✭✭✭✭
    now that we have determined who the master debator is maybe we need a poll on who's the best pollster.

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  • vibr0nicvibr0nic Posts: 614 ✭✭✭
    Numbers, you put forth the suggestion that his political leanings compromise his mathematical analysis, which is clearly false. Silver simply gets it right.

    You don't like it. That's fine.
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  • vibr0nicvibr0nic Posts: 614 ✭✭✭


    << <i>There are lies, damn lies, and statistics. >>



    Actually, there is simply being wrong, and being right.

    Poor Nate, he got 1 wrong out of 85 predictions in 2008. Hard to take him seriously this go around, eh? </sarcasm>

    Oh, and did you notice he picked McCain on the one state he got wrong in 2008? Hardly partisan.
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  • << <i>which is clearly false. Silver simply gets it right. >>



    I surely don't see the "clearly" in the least. And as for "simply gets it right" We will See, won't we.
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  • vibr0nicvibr0nic Posts: 614 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>which is clearly false. Silver simply gets it right. >>



    I surely don't see the "clearly" in the least. And as for "simply gets it right" We will See, won't we. >>



    Actually, we already HAVE SEEN that he simply gets it right. Granted, past performance is no guarantee of future results, but until he gets it wrong, I hold his analysis in high regard - higher than anyone else.
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  • secondrepublicsecondrepublic Posts: 2,619 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>There are lies, damn lies, and statistics. >>



    Actually, there is simply being wrong, and being right.

    Poor Nate, he got 1 wrong out of 85 predictions in 2008. Hard to take him seriously this go around, eh? </sarcasm>

    Oh, and did you notice he picked McCain on the one state he got wrong in 2008? Hardly partisan. >>



    As the narrator said to Lebowski -- "Have 'er your way, dude." Not gonna argue with you. If you think Silver plays it down the middle, you're living on another planet than me.
    "Men who had never shown any ability to make or increase fortunes for themselves abounded in brilliant plans for creating and increasing wealth for the country at large." Fiat Money Inflation in France, Andrew Dickson White (1912)
  • vibr0nicvibr0nic Posts: 614 ✭✭✭
    Edit:

    Actually, I'm not in this forum to argue, either, and let me just say the diversity of opinion around here is one thing that I appreciate. I usually abstain from these types of threads to begin with, but chose to chime in - I didn't expect my endorsement of Nate Silver to be controversial. No need to carry on with it. I'll leave it at that. image

    Let's just agree that The Big Lebowski is a great movie, then, shall we?
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  • renman95renman95 Posts: 7,037 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>now that we have determined who the master debator is maybe we need a poll on who's the best pollster. >>



    Rassmusenski iz best pollster. no kiddink. Iz closest to outcome 2010, 2008, 2006, 2004.

    comrade renski
  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • POLL. (Currently up on Yahoo Finnace)

    The unemployment rate fell to 7.8% in September. What’s your take-away?

    Results of Poll to date:
    It assures President Obama's re-election (10741) 9%
    It's proof the economy is improving (27228) 22%
    It's temporary, the worst isn't over (14397) 12%
    I don't trust the numbers (71350) 57%


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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>By all means, tell me where i can find another site that has more timely, comprehensive, and accurate predictions of elections. >>



    His site and predictions are pretty impressive. He currently has it Obama 318 to Romney 220. I see no bias, only math. It's actually closer then I thought at first blush. His scoreboard seems about right if you give Obama Virginia, Ohio, Colorado and Florida which he has. If Romney wins ALL these states instead then it's game on. Then it would be Obama 249 and Romney 289 if my math is correct. If they split Ohio/Florida and Romney wins Virginia and Colorado then it's going to be a long interesting night indeed. MJ
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  • streeterstreeter Posts: 4,312 ✭✭✭✭✭
    When one takes a look at Colorado and sees 7 counties with unemployment over 20%....and this state is completely in the doldrums...how it could conceivably vote to support the current administration and look forward to four more years of this....

    I just shake my head in amazement.
    Have a nice day
  • renman95renman95 Posts: 7,037 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>When one takes a look at Colorado and sees 7 counties with unemployment over 20%....and this state is completely in the doldrums...how it could conceivably vote to support the current administration and look forward to four more years of this....

    I just shake my head in amazement. >>



    I live in one of those counties. We know many families where the husbands are gone for weeks if not months at a time working in North Dakota. This is an energy county and BHO is killing it in a green way. Rmoney's energy proposal would be a boom here if it became reality. I hope it does, I need to sell my house...

    r95
  • LowBudgetLowBudget Posts: 383 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>When one takes a look at Colorado and sees 7 counties with unemployment over 20%....and this state is completely in the doldrums...how it could conceivably vote to support the current administration and look forward to four more years of this....

    I just shake my head in amazement. >>



    I live in one of those counties. We know many families where the husbands are gone for weeks if not months at a time working in North Dakota. This is an energy county and BHO is killing it in a green way. Rmoney's energy proposal would be a boom here if it became reality. I hope it does, I need to sell my house...

    r95 >>

    when I tell people about the oil boom and what it has done for unemployment there, they think im lying.
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  • KarbKarb Posts: 557 ✭✭✭
    I live in Minot, ND which is 2 hours away from the Bakken area where the boom is taking place. We have always been in a bubble when it came to the economy. ND is readying for a 2 billion dollar surplus. I work in the gas and oil business and I have talked to quite a few people from EVERYWHERE. I just cannot fathom having to leave my family for months at a time just to support them. I applaud them and feel for them at the same time. I only wish everyone could take advantage of our situation up here.
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