Input needed......real deal? Rare Morgan.....

AUandAG

What say you? Did Grandpa have a good eye and a big wallet?
Ebay of course!

bob

PS: sold in Aug 2011 for a bit over $500,000. MS67 NGC

LanceNewmanOCC

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ok rev of a 79, check...
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AUandAG

Yep, correct reverse and nicest coin NCG has graded!

He has 4 very nice coins up and looking to take Paypal and Ebay for a ride!

bob

AUandAG

Anybody want to play? I'm high bidder at the moment!! Yahoooooooooo!!



bob

LanceNewmanOCC

<< <i>Anybody want to play? I'm high bidder at the moment!! Yahoooooooooo!!

bob >>


on the morgan? i say it so flippantly as if the actual coin couldn't be sold to buy a mercedes SLR lol
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AUandAG

Yes, on the Morgan.....Those other three are dreck.


bob

bigjpst

Um... is he really telling us to look at the ebay stock picture to decide on whether to bid on his coin? I wonder if the Pogo stick was his Grandpa's too.

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LanceNewmanOCC

<< <i>I wonder if the Pogo stick was his Grandpa's too. >>



i think you just may be correct! it certainly looks like a Grandpa's Attic brand to me
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johnny9434

ebay and no slab. im not sure about that one on a coin like that. jmo

AUandAG

Hmmmm, inside info says there is a snipe bid for $400k on this baby!

bob

HighRelief

Grading the coin from the ebay pictures I would give it MS65 which means $650,000

AUandAG

<< <i>Grading the coin from the ebay pictures I would give it MS65 which means $650,000 >>



Actually it is already graded MS67 by NGC, ex Norweb, et al.

bob

Heritage Here

milkcoin

it's sad because grandpa sure gets a bad wrap after all these auctions that use his name sparringly to peddle goods!

crazyhounddog

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<< <i>Grading the coin from the ebay pictures I would give it MS65 which means $650,000 >>



Actually it is already graded MS67 by NGC, ex Norweb, et al.

bob

Heritage Here >>



Ya know what? I think your right!! This IS the same coin!! Is this a scam? Yep, it's a scam. Same image, same coin.

AUandAG

So, I send a message: when did your Grandfather pass and how long has it been stored in
the bank box?

I get this reply:

Dear bobandlinda1,

Hello my grandpa pass in 07 and im not a 100% sure how long he had it in the bank box. My family just got together and we decide to sell it.Thanks

- powerstorker


Seems his gramps bought it from the grave!
bob

LindeDad

He may very well have a piece of metal with that date and mint mark on it, just not the one in the image. And Cramps could of got it on eBay in 2006 they let the sellers in China list the ones they where making then.

morgansforever

It's really amazing that one thinks there gonna sell a key date, "the key in the series", raw on Ebay with pirated pics.
I wonder how many bidders think it's legit? It's without question the NGC 67 example.
Anyone notify Heritage? This is also a copyright infringement correct? It's a pic taken by the auction house.


EDIT: The seller offers a 14 day return window, what will the buyer receive?

ldhair

It's up to 65K. Think the seller is trying to find a way out of this?

morgansforever

<<It's up to 65K. Think the seller is trying to find a way out of this?>>

Bet he or she is starting to get the jitters, since we all know it's a bogus listing.
You will not receive the coin pictured. Curious as to what you will receive.


EDIT: Bet the seller drives a Ford Powerstroke diesel pickup

ColdHardCopper

why doesn't some one report this as fraud he has a number of other bogus listings also

LanceNewmanOCC

<< <i>why doesn't some one report this as fraud he has a number of other bogus listings also >>


why not share with us how to do it?
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ColdHardCopper

Ahh use the report item link on the auction?

LanceNewmanOCC

<< <i>Ahh use the report item link on the auction? >>


go ahead and do that and report back how it works out :-)
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Hmann

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<< <i>Ahh use the report item link on the auction? >>


go ahead and do that and report back how it works out :-)
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Play nice please!

I've gotta admit i'm following this thread and auction to see what happens. Pretty suprised ebay has it still up and running.

LanceNewmanOCC

<< <i>go ahead and do that and report back how it works out :-) >>



i am being serious. last time i clicked the report item link i thought i had entered an episode of the twilight zone!
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LindeDad

Try this Coin report link.

morgansforever

I reported it as did many others. Don't know why it's still up. The other coin listings are more than likely bogus too.
He used a Heritage pic no question for the 93S, so I'm thinking he used a Heritage pic for the 09S VDB too.
Here is the pic in the listing. Help me find the origin. Is there a way to refine a search, say MS SVDB's using Heritage?
Didn't want to join, maybe a CU member can help me out. I wanna out this dude someone is gonna get scortched.

Pic used in the listing. I'm guessing 64BN. Some specific markers on this piece, the color may have been adjusted.



Link to the 09S VDB listing
09S VDB listing

Nickcap

He is telling me that is a picture of the real coin from his scanner.

Good luck on this one.

morgansforever

<<He is telling me that is a picture of the real coin from his scanner.>>

He doesn't posses any of the coins listed, IMO. All of them are different styles n sizes, no consistency.
Look at Lindedads listings all the same style, 68camaro all the same style, Leheigh96 all the same.
Someone please help with finding the origin of the 09SVDB pic above.
I've been looking but there is thousands to go through on Heritage..

Nickcap

I am looking too.

Not on coin facts

Nickcap

I am looking too.

Not on coin facts

morgansforever

Thanks Nickcap, Robec said it may be a Stacks pic.
I'm lookin too. Tried a Google search and looked at tons of pics, no luck.
I won't stop!
Scott

LanceNewmanOCC

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it was listed previously before altering the images. we can speculate as to why
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morgansforever

Good job Lance, thought maybe the color was tweaked.
A bit more Red than the current listing suggests.
I'm not stopping and will make it tough for this seller.
Scott

LanceNewmanOCC

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dangit, where is that image of the simpson's characters with the torches!


muuaaahhahaaaa


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morgansforever

Previous 09S VDB, guess he tweaked the color a bit, you ain't fooling me.
We can do this fellow forumites, out this POS.
Find this coin!

Nickcap

went all through the Heritage archives down to AU50 even looking at Genuine and cleaned S VDBs. No match.

morgansforever

<<went all through the Heritage archives down to AU50 even looking at Genuine and cleaned S VDBs. No match.>>

I went through the Stacks archives couldn't find squat.
It's definitely a pirated pic, have that gut feeling. My gut hasn't done me wrong yet.
I bet there is a way to scan a pic to find the match, an app of sorts.
Thanks for the effort though, they're workin on it ATS too.

LanceNewmanOCC

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since the color is off between the obv/rev i was checking 09-s obverses and vdb reverses, but there are too many possibilities
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morgansforever

<<since the color is off between the obv/rev i was checking 09-s obverses and vdb reverses, but there are too many possibilities .>>

I was thinking the same, looks like two different coins.
I gotta hit the sack, on it in the morn though.
Scott

bigjpst

Looks like the seller ended the listing.

morgansforever

<<Looks like the seller ended the listing.>>

The seller is full of shat, I know that, we know that and he knows that.
The Gold piece and Barber quarter have been nuked but the 09S VDB is still live.
If anyone has time please see if you can locate the origin of the VDB pics in this thread.
The seller has listed it twice, he or she adjusted the color.

Jcarney

Can't find the 09s vdb on Heritage. I think I looked through 484,000 of them.

Looking through Teletrade archives now.

morgansforever

<<Can't find the 09s vdb on Heritage. I think I looked through 484,000 of them.>>

Thanks for your effort Jcarney. Robec/Bob seems to think it's a Stacks pic.
I have looked hundreds, maybe it's a combination of 2 different coins.
The buyer more than likely will not receive a MS 09S VDB.

Jcarney

<< <i><<Can't find the 09s vdb on Heritage. I think I looked through 484,000 of them.>>"

Thanks for your effort Jcarney. Robec/Bob seems to think it's a Stacks pic.
I have looked hundreds, maybe it's a combination of 2 different coins.
The buyer more than likely will not receive a MS 09S VDB. >>



I also looked through Teletrade's archives. It became obvious immediately that TT's pics aren't nearly that good. Looked through all the Ebay auctions too. Nada.

I will say that if this is two different coins (I doubt it, seller isn't that clever) the photo was taken by the same person/setup...it just has the same "look". Notice the shadow on "IN GOD WE TRUST" on the obverse and "E PLURIBUS UNUM" on the reverse. It looks like the same lighting source. It would be difficult to match that closely on two different coins/setups.

morgansforever

<<I also looked through Teletrade's archives. It became obvious immediately that TT's pics aren't nearly that good. Looked through all the Ebay auctions too. Nada.>>

Again thanks for the effort. I also scanned through hundreds of images just by Googling 1909 S VDB, no luck.
Some were close but not dead on. I too noticed that the shadow at the top of the coin is similar on the obv. and rev.
It's not the sellers pic, as I requested several times for another pic.

EDIT: Was hoping Charmy might even recognize it, sure she has seen hundreds or even thousands of SVDB's.

HighRelief

I had a bid of $70,000.00 on the coin and it looks like powerstorker ended the auction. Here is the e-mail that he sent me this morning in somewhat broken english wanting me to make a offer on the coin.





Hello I writing you to let you know why i'm ending my auction on this item is because two many people are trying reporting me saying this coin is not a real coin but this coins is 100% real. But they even done it on a set of lawn mower tires too. but i believe on this item what it was is they were throw me offer like $3000 and $4000 and i declined them. But you can feel free to make me a offer, but im going to write all the bidders to be fair. Thanks


- powerstorker

AUandAG

Hello I writing you to let you know why i'm ending my auction on this item is because two many people are trying reporting me saying this coin is not a real coin but this coins is 100% real. But they even done it on a set of lawn mower tires too. but i believe on this item what it was is they were throw me offer like $3000 and $4000 and i declined them. But you can feel free to make me a offer, but im going to write all the bidders to be fair. Thanks


- powerstorker >>



Got the same message.
bob

Jcarney

<< <i><<I also looked through Teletrade's archives. It became obvious immediately that TT's pics aren't nearly that good. Looked through all the Ebay auctions too. Nada.>>

Again thanks for the effort. I also scanned through hundreds of images just by Googling 1909 S VDB, no luck.
Some were close but not dead on. I too noticed that the shadow at the top of the coin is similar on the obv. and rev.
It's not the sellers pic, as I requested several times for another pic.

EDIT: Was hoping Charmy might even recognize it, sure she has seen hundreds or even thousands of SVDB's. >>



This sucks. I've looked at so many images of high grade 1909s vdb Lincolns that my lowly PCGS EF45 seems like a vile, disgusting slug now. I should just go spend it.

LanceNewmanOCC

<< <i>This sucks. I've looked at so many images of high grade 1909s vdb Lincolns that my lowly PCGS EF45 seems like a vile, disgusting slug now. I should just go spend it. >>



i hear it is popular to spend valuable numismatic items on pizza and a drink these days ><
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