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is this a 22 no d or a faked one

jzbrownjzbrown Posts: 113
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Unable to see how it matches any of the 4 die varieties on the lincoln site.
Thanks for any help. It came in a complete set but I know next to nothing about variety Lincoln's
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Regards,

Jim

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  • JamesMJamesM Posts: 757 ✭
    I would not buy it
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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,876 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'll leave this one for the Lincolnites.

    I get little goose-pimply, red-flag sensations, but I can't say they're based on any real information. Just pure gut reaction, is all. I really don't know.

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  • RampageRampage Posts: 9,512 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am going with removed mintmark. The sharpness of the obverse leads me to this conclusion.


  • commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,096 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I am going with removed mintmark. The sharpness of the obverse leads me to this conclusion. >>



    I agree. I think the coin itself is real, but the D was removed.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,837 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I am going with removed mintmark. The sharpness of the obverse leads me to this conclusion. >>



    I agree. I think the coin itself is real, but the D was removed.

    -Paul >>

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  • lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,873 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I see the D
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  • Wolf359Wolf359 Posts: 7,663 ✭✭✭
    Not good.

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  • droopyddroopyd Posts: 5,381 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I see the D >>



    Yeah, there's definitely something there.
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,837 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Unless my eyes are deceiving me, the mintmark area looks like a lighter shade of brown which makes me very suspicious that a D mintmark was removed.

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  • JcarneyJcarney Posts: 3,154 ✭
    What a shame. Someone took a perfectly nice 1922D, with great color in solid EF and screwed it up.

    The "L" in LIBERTY will be mushy and into the rim on a genuine die pair 2 no d. There are other diagnostics but this one was pretty obvious.
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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No good. The detail is too strong. 22 No D coins came from heavily clashed, then heavily polished dies.
    John
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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,876 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>No good. The detail is too strong. 22 No D coins came from heavily clashed, then heavily polished dies. >>

    I think that is what I subconsciously was picking up on, and couldn't put my finger on why it bothered me.

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  • drwstr123drwstr123 Posts: 7,049 ✭✭✭✭✭
    '22 plain, die 2, the second 2 is sharper than the first 2.
  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,553 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I am going with removed mintmark. The sharpness of the obverse leads me to this conclusion. >>



    I agree. I think the coin itself is real, but the D was removed.

    -Paul >>



    image Coin, in my opinion, does not match several of the diagnostic features of the genuine 1922 No D cent.

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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    a couple links i find useful for this date

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  • JamesMurrayJamesMurray Posts: 4,036 ✭


    << <i>Unless my eyes are deceiving me, the mintmark area looks like a lighter shade of brown which makes me very suspicious that a D mintmark was removed. >>



    Your eyes are fine Perry , i copied to my desktop and blew the pic up , it shows a much lighter shade of brown right where the mintmark would be.
  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    the good thing is that when authenticating coins of key,semi-key dates or whatever you wanna call em, you often times do not need fret about the date and mm since there are die-specific diagnostics

    2 quick examples are

    1928 peace dollar, never need to see the date

    1893-s morgan with 1 obv and 2 rev die marriages can be authenticated without the date or mm, quite easily

    awe heck lets throw in the 1894 morgan as well, 1 obv/1 rev, reported

    ok ok, i gotta do it - 1916 D 10c - 4 die marriages (2) rpm and (2) not and only 1 obv with 4 diff reverses die 1 & 4 are non rpm and die 2 & 3 are rpm

    feel free to correct or debate me as i do like being up-to-date and accurate, especially when advising about attribution/authentication

    i'm all hopped up on morphine and vicodin from my 2mm baby attempting to pass through my system, so grant me a lil leeway for typos and such. ty
    .

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  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
    At best it's a "weak D" variety... At best.


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  • JcarneyJcarney Posts: 3,154 ✭


    << <i>At best it's a "weak D" variety... At best. >>



    It's not a "weak D". All the "weak "D's" have the weak reverses. This coin is a strong reverse in EF.
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  • tightbudgettightbudget Posts: 7,299 ✭✭✭
    Removed mintmark
  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,893 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Removed mintmark.

    The second 2 in a real '22 no-D strong reverse has a very specific, carved look. Here are two examples of mine.
    Lance.

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,731 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not genuine.
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  • Yukoncornelius1Yukoncornelius1 Posts: 654 ✭
    The obverse is way to sharp plus I see a trace of a mintmark so possibly someone removed most of the mintmark.
  • GrumpyEdGrumpyEd Posts: 4,749 ✭✭✭
    If it wasn't removed it's a coin with a weak D but not weak enough to be the "weak D" variety.
    Ed
  • ambro51ambro51 Posts: 13,949 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No not even close to a WeAk D die pairing. It's what it looks like...a long time ago someone carved off the D
  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,411 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Removed mintmark.

    Genuine '22-D with obverse and reverse both strong and without problem of some kind are hard to find.

    Sadly,some greedy weenie made this once very nice '22-D into a problem coin.

    Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.

  • CEOcoinshopcomCEOcoinshopcom Posts: 350 ✭
    Greedy Weenie......Love it.

    I'm in the removed MM camp.
    Die pair two has a different reverse.
    I'm Just Sayin"


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  • mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    Real ones are mushy on the obv even in MS (this one is 64BN, not mine)

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,796 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I vote removed mint mark. The obverse is too sharp, and the tiny die break in LIBERTY is missing.
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