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ManorcourtmanManorcourtman Posts: 8,186 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Retro holders, very cool idea imho!! Black holders

I hope PCGS does a Doily retro holder!

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  • ajmanajman Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭
    It's cool but I think where they shot themselves in the foot is just offering it for those specific coins. Hopefully not to be outdone, PCGS offers the doily holder for all submissions as an option.
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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They are nice looking.

    "These new holders will be made available October 1, 2012 for the following coins only: Silver Eagles, Sacagawea Dollars and Presidential Dollars. Quantities of the Retro Holder are limited for each coin type and are available only while quantities last."
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  • Bayard1908Bayard1908 Posts: 4,092 ✭✭✭✭
    The black holders look best with gold coins.
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The photos make these look more gray than black....
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  • crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623 ✭
    I hate gimmicks personally. Although a complete set of ASE in them would look cool
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The black holders look best with gold coins. >>


    I completely agree. I see an expensive, 100+ coin crossover submission that they are leaving on the table. image
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,837 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Fortunately they won't be confused with the original black first generation NGC slabs.

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  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,534 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>They are nice looking.

    "These new holders will be made available October 1, 2012 for the following coins only: Silver Eagles, Sacagawea Dollars and Presidential Dollars. Quantities of the Retro Holder are limited for each coin type and are available only while quantities last." >>

    Clearly trying to increase their modern submissions while limiting the number of sizes they were going to make.
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,837 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>They are nice looking.

    "These new holders will be made available October 1, 2012 for the following coins only: Silver Eagles, Sacagawea Dollars and Presidential Dollars. Quantities of the Retro Holder are limited for each coin type and are available only while quantities last." >>

    Clearly trying to increase their modern submissions while limiting the number of sizes they were going to make. >>



    These coins were never slabbed in the original black NGC slabs. NGC may be wanting to minimize any confusion between these slabs and the originals.

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  • dragondragon Posts: 4,548 ✭✭
    While they do look somewhat attractive IMO, those new black cores look to have a matte or satiny finish from that NGC pic. The original black holders had more of a glossy appearance. Also, those new black cores lose the whole effect with those prongs IMO.
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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>While they do look somewhat attractive IMO, those new black cores look to have a matte or satiny finish from that NGC pic. The original black holders had more of a glossy appearance. Also, those new black cores lose the whole effect with those prongs IMO. >>



    From the photos, I think the old ones would be more attractive due to the darker and more glossy appearance.

    The new cores should work ok when viewed on a dark background.
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  • WTCGWTCG Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭
    Sounds like a fun promo to try. I'll probably send in a dozen or so silver Eagles for curiosity purposes.
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  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭
    Personally, I think this is not a very well thought idea which smacks of an attempt to lure submitters.

    Sure, the black insert was pretty cool but the bottom line is that its only desireable because there just are not that many coins in the black holders any longer. To Flood the Market with "new" black holders (look at the prongs folks), may provide a vehicle for scammers to squeeze a few hundred bucks more out of unsuspecting bidders.

    Hopefully, PCGS will NOT follow suit and as such, hang on to some integrity.
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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    and I hope not! +1

    I don't collect ngc or any of that stuff they are putting in the black......so I couldn't care less there.
  • Timbuk3Timbuk3 Posts: 11,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like it !!!
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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The more I look at these the more they look like poker chips

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  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,655 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Should have included gold coins. Submitting coins the slabs are limited to is rarely a profitable venture especially since the retro slab is not available for reholder submissions. If previously graded they have to be cracked out and submitted raw. The Sac "cheerio" or "wounded eagle" and maybe the presidential missing edge lettering are worthy of them (If NGC will recognize them on the retro label). Might be good time to submitt if you still have sealed 25th Anniversary ASE sets, provided they will give you the "set" label and the "Early Releases" label if sets qualify. I can see a 70 anniversary set of ASE's in these holders bringing a nice premium.

    Can't see much submission demand given the limited coins.

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  • SpoolySpooly Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭
    Also, those new black cores lose the whole effect with those prongs IMO.


    The white halo loses the contrast. image
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  • Dollar2007Dollar2007 Posts: 773 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Personally, I think this is not a very well thought idea which smacks of an attempt to lure submitters.

    Sure, the black insert was pretty cool but the bottom line is that its only desireable because there just are not that many coins in the black holders any longer. To Flood the Market with "new" black holders (look at the prongs folks), may provide a vehicle for scammers to squeeze a few hundred bucks more out of unsuspecting bidders.

    Hopefully, PCGS will NOT follow suit and as such, hang on to some integrity. >>



    I'm sorry, but that is their problem if they fall for this and pay "a few hundred bucks more" for one of these. NGC has a right to make a holder any color they want. This could just be considered a test run, maybe if it is successful they will make it available for more sizes of gold coins.
  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,893 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>While they do look somewhat attractive IMO, those new black cores look to have a matte or satiny finish from that NGC pic. The original black holders had more of a glossy appearance. Also, those new black cores lose the whole effect with those prongs IMO. >>

    Exactly. It's a gimmick.

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  • mkman123mkman123 Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭✭
    Wow I like it. I hope they allow other coins!
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  • astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They're cute and will garner a little interest. At least they are pronged to minimize any confusion with the original.

    It will be interesting to see how they do.
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  • smokincoinsmokincoin Posts: 2,636 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The white halo loses the contrast. >>


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  • KoveKove Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭✭
    I like the idea.

    For all the naysayers, I think this is a great way to mark their 25th anniversary. They are making a limited production run of their very first slab. This nicely ties together 25 years. What's wrong with that???????

    And I think a black-and-white DCAM proof silver eagle will look great in a black slab!
  • Dennis88Dennis88 Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭
    The holders look like those do it yourself coin world holdrrs. It's definitely something different. Not sure if I like them.
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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If they say they look so nice (they do), why don't they just cut over to them and not use the white ones anymore? All I see here is a manufactured exonumia "rarity" that's just going to suck more money out of the market as people chase more and more types of plastic limited only the whim of the manufacturer. Late '80s baseball cards, anyone? Is the new Beckett's in?

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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,837 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>They're cute and will garner a little interest. At least they are pronged to minimize any confusion with the original. >>



    The originals are totally different. The originals used the much thicker "no line fatty" slab shells and the front of the slab had the old silver embossed logo (no holograms) with the plain paper label on the back of the slab. And, as you mentioned, there were no prongs.

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  • ambro51ambro51 Posts: 13,949 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I imagine the mad eBay rush on these looms ahead. I think the "coin inside" is a mere afterthought. The black fingers and open ring around the coin look bad. Just a silly move sure to cheapen and confuse the grading process. The matte finish is ugly.
  • dragondragon Posts: 4,548 ✭✭
    Here's the 'real' black holder IMO. image



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  • KoveKove Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>They're cute and will garner a little interest. At least they are pronged to minimize any confusion with the original. >>



    The originals are totally different. The originals used the much thicker "no line fatty" slab shells and the front of the slab had the old gold embossed logo (no holograms) with the plain paper label on the back of the slab. And, as you mentioned, there were no prongs. >>



    Actually, the embossing on the front is white on the original NGC 1.0s, not gold like the 2.1s, etc.
  • guitarwesguitarwes Posts: 9,290 ✭✭✭

    I think Proof Silver Eagles will look good in them.

    I don't like the prongs on these, especially with the white background.
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,837 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>

    << <i>They're cute and will garner a little interest. At least they are pronged to minimize any confusion with the original. >>



    The originals are totally different. The originals used the much thicker "no line fatty" slab shells and the front of the slab had the old gold embossed logo (no holograms) with the plain paper label on the back of the slab. And, as you mentioned, there were no prongs. >>



    Actually, the embossing on the front is white on the original NGC 1.0s, not gold like the 2.1s, etc. >>



    You are correct. Actually, the embossing is silver. I have one but I haven't looked at it for a couple of years and forgot.image


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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,228 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The black holders look best with gold coins. >>

    image id like to see that as well
  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,655 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They just added $25 AGEs, $50 APEs and Spouse $10 Gold to the list of eligible coins

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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    i think i just saw a tv ad for these with ac/dc's "back in black" playing in the background of the commercial!
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  • FountainheadFountainhead Posts: 956
    I requested NGC offer black holders again about a year ago. However, I wanted them for the colorized foreign stuff I collect. I still think ASE's, Morgans, etc. look best in PCGS holders. image
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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    >>>I see an expensive, 100+ coin crossover submission that they are leaving on the table. <<<

    image Are you saying you would take coins out of PCGS and put them in ngc!!!!!!!?????? ........ to get black holders!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I sure hope not!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>>>>I see an expensive, 100+ coin crossover submission that they are leaving on the table. <<<

    image Are you saying you would take coins out of PCGS and put them in ngc!!!!!!!?????? ........ to get black holders!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I sure hope not!!!!!!!!!!!! >>


    Yup, even the OGHs and Gold CACs. image




    Of course, not. Didn't you see the image ? image

    Edit: But now that they have expanded into AGEs and FSs, I probably will send some raw ones I have in for grading.

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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Whew............I was deeply concerned there for a minute!!!
  • RichRRichR Posts: 3,930 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Now, if only NGC offered multi-coin holders again, we'd really have something!

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