A few Trade Dollar newps with TrueViews

MilkmanDan

Just sent in a group of TD's to have their picture taken, the drop in TrueView pricing is very welcome and eliminated the hesitation I've had in the past. I think 10 bucks is a nice sweet spot, when you count the reholder and shipping fees that go along with the service and the advantage of shooting them RAW instead of through plastic.

Anyway, here are a few trade dollars I've picked up over the past few months that I thought were worth a nice picture. Comments welcome, or just scroll through and gaze at them like I enjoy.

Edited to add the 77-CC, not sure how I forgot that one, it may only be an AU50 but it's one of my favorites.

1873-P PCGS AU58 CAC


1874-CC PCGS AU50 - with wide c c mintmark


1876-CC PCGS AU53 CAC - also with wide c c mintmark, same reverse die as the 74-cc


1877-S PCGS AU58 CAC - broken arrows reverse


1877-CC PCGS AU50


1878-S PCGS XF45 - doubled die reverse

tradedollarnut

very nice!

MarkInDavis

I don't know much about trade dollars, but doesn't the AU53 1876-CC seem to have less wear than the AU58 1873-P? That 1876-CC looks awfully strong for a AU53.

RYK

<< <i>very nice! >>

breakdown

Forget the grades -- that 76-CC is a great looking coin. Thanks for sharing.

stealer

<< <i>I don't know much about trade dollars, but doesn't the AU53 1876-CC seem to have less wear than the AU58 1873-P? That 1876-CC looks awfully strong for a AU53. >>


The 73P has a weak strike, both on Liberty and the eagle's top part of the wing, which accounts for much of what appears to be wear. The 76CC doesn't have that much wear, little enough to call it a 58 IMO but it appears to have little luster and a lot of circulation action in the fields.

Fantastic coins Dan, I hope I can view some of these in hand sometime soon!

Justacommeman

Well done indeed! MJ

123cents

Those are super nice examples. Congrats!

crypto79

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<< <i>I don't know much about trade dollars, but doesn't the AU53 1876-CC seem to have less wear than the AU58 1873-P? That 1876-CC looks awfully strong for a AU53. >>


The 73P has a weak strike, both on Liberty and the eagle's top part of the wing, which accounts for much of what appears to be wear. The 76CC doesn't have that much wear, little enough to call it a 58 IMO but it appears to have little luster and a lot of circulation action in the fields.

Fantastic coins Dan, I hope I can view some of these in hand sometime soon! >>



Those are amazing coins Dan and it is even more amazing your ability to find them and the 74cc and the 76cc are some of the nicest examples I have ever seen of the 1.2mm Wide CC rev.
The 76cc sure does look under graded but I would add that while it looks to have no real high point rub, the fields and devices appear to have impacted/rub textures. Note the fresh mint frost on the devices on the 73p and 77s and then go back and look at the 76cc's Lib & Eagle and what not. Even in the folds of her dress you can't find a very big patch of undisturbed frost texture. Looks like a top end 53 or avg 55 which is really a similar grade and the edge might have gone to 53 for darkness/color, remember PCGS uses a lot of light on their photos.

mkman123

very nice! I never knew their was a wide CC mintmark!!

Easycoinsales

I think the next coin I buy will be a trade dollar to start a collection. I think they are possibly one of the most awesome coins I seem to like. As a new collector to the series and want a good coin to start the collection what would you try to do with $500

Thank you

Shannon

DIMEMAN

Very nice.....I love them all!!

shish

Very Nice indeed, thanks for sharing Dan

TomB

You have an absolutely spectacular group!

NumisOxide

Those are nice!

MilkmanDan

Thanks for the comments everyone, much appreciated. It sure is gratifying to spend months putting together a group of coins that you can be proud of.

As for the 73 vs. the 76-cc, it's mostly been covered already but I'll comment. The 73-P has a weak strike which actually caused me to pass it up the first time I saw it offered. I kicked myself for missing it and didn't make the same mistake when it was offered again just a few months later. The coin lustrous and fairly clean fields which, when coupled with really strong eye appeal must have bumped it up to AU58. I wouldn't be surprised if PCGS graded it AU55 today, but CAC liked it so I'll trust the experts. Crypto is right about the 76cc, it's fairly dark although it's a nice dirty golden color that would make RYK proud. The coin really does have good luster underneath though, so I agree with Crypto that it's a high end 53. I really like both coins and bought the coins not the holders - it just so happens that I had to pay higher for one and less for the other, based on grades alone.

MilkmanDan

<< <i>I think the next coin I buy will be a trade dollar to start a collection. I think they are possibly one of the most awesome coins I seem to like. As a new collector to the series and want a good coin to start the collection what would you try to do with $500 >>


Hi Shannon, trade dollars have a fantastic story behind them and if you haven't already studied them, here's a good place to start. I would also recommend studying Crypto's collection to get more familiar with the series. Until you've had enough time to study the coins, it is recommended to buy a coin in PCGS or NGC holder, since Trade Dollars are commonly faked. With $500 you can find a nice AU55-58 common date, or a decent VF-XF in some of scarcer dates. Good luck and don't hesitate to ask more questions, there are plenty of helpful TD collectors around here, I know that first hand.

crypto79

Here is the link that Dan most likely intended. Focus on chapters 11, 12 and year listings of Bowers master work

Also TDN's site is a gift to the hobby

MilkmanDan

Thanks crypto and yes, how could I forget the great TDN site. I've only spent hours upon hours reading it. Duh!

Goldbully

A nice tight group of Original Trade $1's......you are to be commended.....nice job!!!!
Love them all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

crypto79

<< <i>I think the next coin I buy will be a trade dollar to start a collection. I think they are possibly one of the most awesome coins I seem to like. As a new collector to the series and want a good coin to start the collection what would you try to do with $500

Thank you

Shannon >>



Hi Shannon

Here is a $400 coin I would recommend using as a yard stick to measure a purchase against.

stealer

Shannon, you can also pick up nice chopped coins for much less than what an unchopped one goes for if you're into that kind of stuff. To me, I don't mind a few chops as long as they don't disrupt the surfaces too much.

This is what I picked up for ~$350 (PCGS AU58):

TennesseeDave

Absolutely beautiful coins Dan. I am still amazed at what our forum members have in their collections. Trade dollars are my favorite series and I love it when I can see the awesome examples that can still be found.

MilkmanDan

Thanks TDave, it's a beautiful series but it's a shame how many trades out there have been stripped or messed with. Truly a challenge to find nice ones close to their natural state.

DDR

Beautiful Trade dollars, Dan! Like you, I recently sent in a small group of mine, mostly chopmarked, to be TruViewed now that PCGS dropped the price to $10.

I am sure you know this, but the 76-CC you have, with a type I reverse that is not doubled, is a true rarity. The 76-CC Trade dollar is scarce to start with and most of those surviving have the type II reverse. Of the more scarce type I reverse 76-CC Trades, most have the double die reverse. There are not many like yours that are type I, not DDR.

Congratulations on owning some great Trade dollars.

EVillageProwler

Nice coins, but the main thing I got from this thread is how times have changed... When I first joined here, hardly anyone talked about the varieties (of T1 vs T2 obv/rev for 75/76). Yeah, we had our exceptions like keoj who used to surprise me with his knowledge of die nuances. But now, I see this forum discussing TD die marriages, states and other nuances.

How times have changed... For the better, IMO.

FWIW, collectors aren't the only ones with such nuanced TD knowledge. There are many dealers who know this stuff too. The difference between the dealers and collectors is that the dealers don't care enough to talk about this or to have their knowledge captured and organized. Pity that when they leave us, they just take away their knowledge too.

EVP

MilkmanDan

Thanks DDR and yes, the main reason I went for the 76-CC was the Type 1 reverse. It is by far the hardest to find of the 76-cc issues, behind the Type 2 reverse and Type 1 DDR as you stated. By the way, looking forward to seeing your chop mark TD true views. Feel free to post them here, or start a new thread.

EVP, I believe it has a lot to do with evangelism. Crypto's set opened my eyes to the series. Sure it's still a neat series if you don't focus on varieties, but getting into the different types and really learning the scarcity/rarity of each variety has been a blast. There are some really, really rare coins out there that don't always go for crazy money because the knowledge isn't always out there. Crypto took the time to post images and write about the coins, this kind of knowledge wasn't really out there or easy to find before.

I guess my experience with dealers has been different, I haven't found many, or any dealers who really know the different types and rarity. Most dealers I've encountered have just a couple trade dollars and don't devote any thought to them.

EVillageProwler

Dan - maybe "many" isn't quite accurate, but I can think of some without having to think too hard. Many years ago, I met a dealer at a bank near Central Park. I was going through his stuff, and came across a TD with an interesting die attribute. When I mentioned it to him, he simply shrugged and responded that no one cares. He then proceeded to list all the interesting die attributes that he could think of for the series.

It was cool getting an impromptu schooling...

The dealer should be fairly advanced in age now; I haven't seen him in maybe 10 years or so. I hope he's doing ok. He's a family man, so that's good.

EVP

tradedollarnut

The only thing rarer than some trade dollar varieties - are collectors of trade dollar varieties!

EVillageProwler

<< <i>The only thing rarer than some trade dollar varieties - are collectors of trade dollar varieties! >>



+1

MilkmanDan

<< <i>The only thing rarer than some trade dollar varieties - are collectors of trade dollar varieties! >>


If that's true then I guess you don't mind selling me your 76-S DDO for cheap right!?

crypto79

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<< <i>The only thing rarer than some trade dollar varieties - are collectors of trade dollar varieties! >>


If that's true then I guess you don't mind selling me your 76-S DDO for cheap right!? >>



Which one? Doesn't matter there is a line for both

Also thank god football is back and is it wrong to hope that a casam opens up in NY tonight and takes out both teams?

keoj

Dan,

Are you saying that Trade Dollar variety collectors are rare?

BTW....beautiful additions of some tough coins! Well done!

keoj

stealer

<< <i>The only thing rarer than some trade dollar varieties - are collectors of trade dollar varieties! >>


I have yet to be sucked down that hole, although Dan might indoctrinate me eventually

MilkmanDan

<< <i>Also thank god football is back and is it wrong to hope that a casam opens up in NY tonight and takes out both teams? >>


Sounds like somebody got a new quarterback.



<< <i>Are you saying that Trade Dollar variety collectors are rare? >>


TDN said it but I wouldn't argue. I'd say R6, maybe R7?



<< <i>I have yet to be sucked down that hole, although Dan might indoctrinate me eventually >>


You'll cave, you know you can't resist

lordmarcovan

Lovely. They're all great, but based on looks alone, the '76-CC is my favorite.

PS- I can tell the '77-S has some nice luster to it, too.

lkeigwin

Splendid coins. I can't pick a favorite.

And, FWIW, Phil did a very nice job on the photos.
Lance.

MilkmanDan

Thanks guys