<< <i>Believe me standards have changed over the years.
I said so.
Anacs doesn't bring the money PCGS coins do.
Anacs doesn't bring the money NGC coins do.
I was a collector in the 1970s when ANACS was an authetication service and then a grading service. I saw and evolution then in grading and I see one now. What with plus signs and beans and stars next to grades. Dealers didn't want to acknowledge ANACS graded coin back in the day, much like they don't want to acknowledge "beans" today. Just check out the Long Beach Thread.
I was there I saw the grading. That is my opinion. Like I said; "I'm sorry your "haughtiness" could not handle my opinion or my spelling error" The thread is about the grade of this seated dollar. You're just trying to exercise your laurels in my opinion. Let's not ruin the guys thread. Warm Regards, Mike >>
Well you basically attacked CaptHenway's aptitude at grading coins by saying that the grading was incorrect with the earliest ANACS so what did you expect him to do?
Thanks for the response cameron, do you plan on getting it certified?
@Stealer: YW. This coin will likely sit in a Dansco 7070 album. I think it's a nice low-grade circulated example for such a resting place. BTW, the reason I posted a photo at the top of each page was for convenience only; that way, one wouldn't have to "flip back a page" to look at the coin each time when replying.
@CaptHenway: YW. I'm glad you believe the thread to be a useful one to serve as an education how to grade circulated Seated Dollars. I thought that it might elicit a wide range of responses--given the disparity between the obverse and the reverse.
@All: Thanks for all of the insightful responses! Let the dialogue continue, if desired!
<< <i>@Stealer: YW. This coin will likely sit in a Dansco 7070 album. I think it's a nice low-grade circulated example for such a resting place. BTW, the reason I posted a photo at the top of each page was for convenience only; that way, one wouldn't have to "flip back a page" to look at the coin each time when replying.
@CaptHenway: YW. I'm glad you believe the thread to be a useful one to serve as an education how to grade circulated Seated Dollars. I thought that it might elicit a wide range of responses--given the disparity between the obverse and the reverse.
@All: Thanks for all of the insightful responses! Let the dialogue continue, if desired! >>
Glad to participate.
Any chance you could post a similar large picture of tht lovely avatar? I do like Philippine coinage under the United States. My Father served there during the War.
Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
>> Any chance you could post a similar large picture of tht lovely avatar? I do like Philippine coinage under the United States. My Father served there during the War.
I'm afraid that I "borrowed" that avatar from someone else here on the board. Unfortunately, I can't remember their user name.
people here are so quick to grade a coin of a series they obviously know little about. rather than allow themselves to learn something, they will argue thier point no matter how incorrect it is. "with motto" halves and dollars share a common anomaly. place one obverse down on a flat surface and you will see what that anomaly is. as such the obverse will wear faster than the reverse. you cant grade them by the amount of liberty on the coin, no matter how tempting it is
regardless of how many posts I have, I don't consider myself an "expert" at anything
<< <i>Believe me standards have changed over the years.
I said so.
Anacs doesn't bring the money PCGS coins do.
Anacs doesn't bring the money NGC coins do.
I was a collector in the 1970s when ANACS was an authetication service and then a grading service. I saw and evolution then in grading and I see one now. What with plus signs and beans and stars next to grades. Dealers didn't want to acknowledge ANACS graded coin back in the day, much like they don't want to acknowledge "beans" today. Just check out the Long Beach Thread.
I was there I saw the grading. That is my opinion. Like I said; "I'm sorry your "haughtiness" could not handle my opinion or my spelling error" The thread is about the grade of this seated dollar. You're just trying to exercise your laurels in my opinion. Let's not ruin the guys thread. Warm Regards, Mike >>
Well you basically attacked CaptHenway's aptitude at grading coins by saying that the grading was incorrect with the earliest ANACS so what did you expect him to do?
Thanks for the response cameron, do you plan on getting it certified? >>
Please read the thread from the beginning I did not attack Capt. Henway in my original post. I quoted from memory Anacs 1978. I was in error it was 1979. mea cupa Gentlemen. I also made a spelling error which he was quick to correct also. It seems to me the coin in question has two distinctly different grades, as in the old days, a oberse/reverse grade would have been merited. Now, it seems to me there is a lot of "market grading" going on so, I rendered an opinion OPINION VF30. Thank you. Regards, Mike
<< <i>people here are so quick to grade a coin of a series they obviously know little about. rather than allow themselves to learn something, they will argue thier point no matter how incorrect it is. "with motto" halves and dollars share a common anomaly. place one obverse down on a flat surface and you will see what that anomaly is. as such the obverse will wear faster than the reverse. you cant grade them by the amount of liberty on the coin, no matter how tempting it is >>
I only have the ANACS grading guides from 1977, 1987, 1991 and the PCGS Coin Grading and Counterfeit detection, as well as, 30 Gobrecht journals and Volume 4. I don't see anything about "with motto coins being graded any differently than "no motto" coins. What with over 1 million coins struck on 10 different obverse dies. That is quite possible. "rather than allow themselves to learn something" OK teach away. Warm Regards, Mike P.S I checked Breen alsolet me check Briggs umm, quarters "usually well struck" that doesn't help. Like I said; 'teach away' Regards, Mike
<< <i>people here are so quick to grade a coin of a series they obviously know little about. rather than allow themselves to learn something, they will argue thier point no matter how incorrect it is. "with motto" halves and dollars share a common anomaly. place one obverse down on a flat surface and you will see what that anomaly is. as such the obverse will wear faster than the reverse. you cant grade them by the amount of liberty on the coin, no matter how tempting it is >>
I only have the ANACS grading guides from 1977, 1987, 1991 and the PCGS Coin Grading and Counterfeit detection, as well as, 30 Gobrecht journals and Volume 4. I don't see anything about "with motto coins being graded any differently than "no motto" coins. What with over 1 million coins struck on 10 different obverse dies. That is quite possible. "rather than allow themselves to learn something" OK teach away. Warm Regards, Mike P.S I checked Breen alsolet me check Briggs umm, quarters "usually well struck" that doesn't help. Like I said; 'teach away' Regards, Mike >>
The following is a serious offer.
I am currently copy editing a 3rd Edition Professional Edition Redbook for Ken Bressett. The marked copy will be returned to him with corrections and suggestions for the 4th Edition.
In the introduction to Liberty Seated Dollars on P. 233, there is the comment: "The word LIBERTY is in a high-relief area on the coin, with the result that it wore away quickly. Therefore this feature cannot be used as the only guide to grading an obverse."
I have already marked in a suggestion that he expand this comment to note that this is especially so in the later dates. Do you have any suggested additions or clarifications to this section that I can pass along to him?
TD
Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
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I wish I could tell you the grade, but I can't. This is a raw piece.
Personally, I grade it MA-20 on a bad day and MA-25 on a good one.
But that's done in the absence of any knowledge of the obverse dies, where the coin is clearly weaker.
<< <i>Believe me standards have changed over the years.
I said so.
Anacs doesn't bring the money PCGS coins do.
Anacs doesn't bring the money NGC coins do.
I was a collector in the 1970s when ANACS was an authetication service and then a grading service. I saw and evolution then in grading and I see one now. What with plus signs and beans and stars next to grades. Dealers didn't want to acknowledge ANACS graded coin back in the day, much like they don't want to acknowledge "beans" today. Just check out the Long Beach Thread.
I was there I saw the grading. That is my opinion. Like I said; "I'm sorry your "haughtiness" could not handle my opinion or my spelling error" The thread is about the grade of this seated dollar. You're just trying to exercise your laurels in my opinion. Let's not ruin the guys thread. Warm Regards, Mike >>
Well you basically attacked CaptHenway's aptitude at grading coins by saying that the grading was incorrect with the earliest ANACS so what did you expect him to do?
Thanks for the response cameron, do you plan on getting it certified?
@CaptHenway: YW. I'm glad you believe the thread to be a useful one to serve as an education how to grade circulated Seated Dollars. I thought that it might elicit a wide range of responses--given the disparity between the obverse and the reverse.
@All: Thanks for all of the insightful responses! Let the dialogue continue, if desired!
VF30
<< <i>@Stealer: YW. This coin will likely sit in a Dansco 7070 album. I think it's a nice low-grade circulated example for such a resting place. BTW, the reason I posted a photo at the top of each page was for convenience only; that way, one wouldn't have to "flip back a page" to look at the coin each time when replying.
@CaptHenway: YW. I'm glad you believe the thread to be a useful one to serve as an education how to grade circulated Seated Dollars. I thought that it might elicit a wide range of responses--given the disparity between the obverse and the reverse.
@All: Thanks for all of the insightful responses! Let the dialogue continue, if desired! >>
Glad to participate.
Any chance you could post a similar large picture of tht lovely avatar? I do like Philippine coinage under the United States. My Father served there during the War.
I'm afraid that I "borrowed" that avatar from someone else here on the board. Unfortunately, I can't remember their user name.
<< <i>
<< <i>Believe me standards have changed over the years.
I said so.
Anacs doesn't bring the money PCGS coins do.
Anacs doesn't bring the money NGC coins do.
I was a collector in the 1970s when ANACS was an authetication service and then a grading service. I saw and evolution then in grading and I see one now. What with plus signs and beans and stars next to grades. Dealers didn't want to acknowledge ANACS graded coin back in the day, much like they don't want to acknowledge "beans" today. Just check out the Long Beach Thread.
I was there I saw the grading. That is my opinion. Like I said; "I'm sorry your "haughtiness" could not handle my opinion or my spelling error" The thread is about the grade of this seated dollar. You're just trying to exercise your laurels in my opinion. Let's not ruin the guys thread. Warm Regards, Mike >>
Well you basically attacked CaptHenway's aptitude at grading coins by saying that the grading was incorrect with the earliest ANACS so what did you expect him to do?
Thanks for the response cameron, do you plan on getting it certified? >>
Please read the thread from the beginning I did not attack Capt. Henway in my original post. I quoted from memory Anacs 1978. I was in error it was 1979. mea cupa Gentlemen. I also made a spelling error which he was quick to correct also. It seems to me the coin in question has two distinctly different grades, as in the old days, a oberse/reverse grade would have been merited. Now, it seems to me there is a lot of "market grading" going on so, I rendered an opinion OPINION VF30. Thank you. Regards, Mike
<< <i>people here are so quick to grade a coin of a series they obviously know little about. rather than allow themselves to learn something, they will argue thier point no matter how incorrect it is. "with motto" halves and dollars share a common anomaly. place one obverse down on a flat surface and you will see what that anomaly is. as such the obverse will wear faster than the reverse. you cant grade them by the amount of liberty on the coin, no matter how tempting it is >>
I only have the ANACS grading guides from 1977, 1987, 1991 and the PCGS Coin Grading and Counterfeit detection, as well as, 30 Gobrecht journals and Volume 4. I don't see anything about "with motto coins being graded any differently than "no motto" coins. What with over 1 million coins struck on 10 different obverse dies. That is quite possible. "rather than allow themselves to learn something" OK teach away. Warm Regards, Mike
P.S I checked Breen alsolet me check Briggs umm, quarters "usually well struck" that doesn't help. Like I said; 'teach away' Regards, Mike
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<< <i>people here are so quick to grade a coin of a series they obviously know little about. rather than allow themselves to learn something, they will argue thier point no matter how incorrect it is. "with motto" halves and dollars share a common anomaly. place one obverse down on a flat surface and you will see what that anomaly is. as such the obverse will wear faster than the reverse. you cant grade them by the amount of liberty on the coin, no matter how tempting it is >>
I only have the ANACS grading guides from 1977, 1987, 1991 and the PCGS Coin Grading and Counterfeit detection, as well as, 30 Gobrecht journals and Volume 4. I don't see anything about "with motto coins being graded any differently than "no motto" coins. What with over 1 million coins struck on 10 different obverse dies. That is quite possible. "rather than allow themselves to learn something" OK teach away. Warm Regards, Mike
P.S I checked Breen alsolet me check Briggs umm, quarters "usually well struck" that doesn't help. Like I said; 'teach away' Regards, Mike >>
The following is a serious offer.
I am currently copy editing a 3rd Edition Professional Edition Redbook for Ken Bressett. The marked copy will be returned to him with corrections and suggestions for the 4th Edition.
In the introduction to Liberty Seated Dollars on P. 233, there is the comment: "The word LIBERTY is in a high-relief area on the coin, with the result that it wore away quickly. Therefore this feature cannot be used as the only guide to grading an obverse."
I have already marked in a suggestion that he expand this comment to note that this is especially so in the later dates. Do you have any suggested additions or clarifications to this section that I can pass along to him?
TD