Die Polish or Hairlines?

stealer

Just received this from the Bay today in the mail and had a somewhat unpleasant surprise. First impression was hairlines, but somebody said it is die polishing lines since the lines don't go through the devices and end before getting to the dentils. Also, there is something similar exhibited on the obverse next to be bails of hay.

What do you guys think? Perhaps DCarr can make a definitive answer.

Shamika

<< <i>First impression was hairlines, but somebody said it is die polishing lines since the lines don't go through the devices and end before getting to the dentils. >>



You got it backwards. Die polish DOES go through the devices. The coin looks cleaned.

AUandAG

I'm not thinking cleaning. Die polish?

bob

Tdec1000

Cleaned, the cleaned area is highlighted and there is toning breaks.

mbogoman

I don't know...it looks to me like there are plenty of lines running through "UNITED" that are sync'd up and in parallel with the lines in the field. But some of the lines in the field look to be raised. Die polish lines should go all the way up to the devices, not leaving a gap like it appears in your picture.

relicsncoins

Are the lines incuse or raised? It's difficult to tell in a photo sometimes, but easy to tell in person. My gut reaction based on the photo is that they are incuse and therefor hairlines. A loop would dispell any doubt quite quickly.

numobri

I'll say hairlines.


Brian

numobri

You got it.



Brian

stealer

<< <i>Are the lines incuse or raised? It's difficult to tell in a photo sometimes, but easy to tell in person. My gut reaction based on the photo is that they are incuse and therefor hairlines. A loop would dispell any doubt quite quickly. >>


Using my loop, first impression was definitely hairlines.

In hand appears to be hairlines, but got some people in the peanut gallery saying otherwise

Surfaces don't seem to be affected by the lines whatsoever, no incuse-ness to be seen at all. An extensive, yet light cleaning IMO.

tightbudget

I'm thinking they're hairlines unfortunately

Tdec1000

Whats the grade? I'm guessing that they didn't call it cleaned but
may have net graded the coin because it's a cc dollar.

stealer

Graded a 45, so no net grading. Talked to a PCGS grader and he said they typically only net grade AU and UNC coins for light cleaning.

WTCG

Hairlines.

bigjpst

The first picture you posted looks like hairlines IMO. The gap in the lines surrounding the devices, and what appears to be matching lines on the Eagle, and the letters in United especially.

GrumpyEd

Doesn't look like die polish.

The lines go over the U and the 4 and that area is a toning break, it looks like that area was cleaned.

PerryHall

Definitely hairline scratches, especially on the reverse. Hairlines don't preclude there also being die polish on the same coin. I'd pass on that coin and that coin should be in a "genuine" slab irrespective of the coin's rarity.

BillJones

The reverse fields have been cleaned with an abrasive, and to a lesser extent the obverse has similar marks. Those lines are post mint and are not polishing marks.

keyman64

Cleaning.

stealer

<< <i>Definitely hairline scratches, especially on the reverse. Hairlines don't preclude there also being die polish on the same coin. I'd pass on that coin and that coin should be in a "genuine" slab irrespective of the coin's rarity. >>


That's what I thought first as well, I was confused how PCGS could grade this and not throw it into a genuine slab. However, after talking to a PCGS grader he said he agrees with this grade and since the cleaning is light they neither net graded nor genuine'd it.

TomB

They clearly look to be hairlines to me. The coin is circulated and likely slid around within its storage container prior to encapsulation. Either that, or a light wipe was placed upon the coin.

PerryHall

<< <i>They clearly look to be hairlines to me. The coin is circulated and likely slid around within its storage container prior to encapsulation. Either that, or a light wipe was placed upon the coin. >>



Based on the first pic of the reverse, that's a lot worse than just a "light wipe".

7Jaguars

I agree with this (sadly). Bit more than "hairlines" on this one...

rhedden

Classic "wiped" coin. It's a small area of harsh cleaning. Die polish would most likely be worn off on a well-circulated coin like this.

Shamika

I'm kind of surprised it graded.

lkeigwin

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<< <i>First impression was hairlines, but somebody said it is die polishing lines since the lines don't go through the devices and end before getting to the dentils. >>



You got it backwards. Die polish DOES go through the devices. The coin looks cleaned. >>

Huh? Devices are recessed on dies. Die polish typically affects fields, not devices.
Lance.

jmski52

Devices are recessed on dies. Die polish typically affects fields, not devices.
Lance.

stealer

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<< <i>First impression was hairlines, but somebody said it is die polishing lines since the lines don't go through the devices and end before getting to the dentils. >>



You got it backwards. Die polish DOES go through the devices. The coin looks cleaned. >>

Huh? Devices are recessed on dies. Die polish typically affects fields, not devices.
Lance. >>


Well, it does show in the devices sometimes, for example, you can often see it in the hair of Liberty on Morgans. However it also has to do with how that part of the hair sticks out nearly as far as the fields do on the die. So typically, you won't see it in the devices.

golden

<< <i>I'm kind of surprised it graded. >>