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  • << <i>By not answering specific questions and deleting anyone questioning PSA's business practices, I am worried about the future of PSA and the value of PSA graded cards.

    Anyone else? >>



    When anything like this goes down the powers that be go into CYA mode. Not all that surprising. There will be a few here that might be done with them, but for the most part their customers don't visit this message board before submitting. It will continue to be business as usual at PSA.
  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    diminishing values occur when there is over-abundance.

    it never rains in California.......man, it pours.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,743 ✭✭✭✭✭
    PSA represents just a small part of CLCT's share price. The vast majority of their assets are predicated on PCGS graded coins.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • DboneesqDboneesq Posts: 18,219 ✭✭


    << <i>it never rains in California.......man, it pours. >>


    Seems I've often heard that kind of talk before
    STAY HEALTHY!

    Doug

    Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.


  • << <i>By not answering specific questions and deleting anyone questioning PSA's business practices, I am worried about the future of PSA and the value of PSA graded cards.

    Anyone else? >>



    I would not worry about the value of the cards.

    What business practices are you refering to? 4SC? I would not be questioning it. They have to grade their cards by the same standards as anyone else. Sometimes they get a grade they should not. Check ebay other people get slightly higher grades also. The grading system is not perfect, it is subjected to human error. If they just gave grades out, PSA would not be in business today.

    That's my 2 cents.

    Dave
  • bigdcardsbigdcards Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭

    I think Dave is dead on. But...

    What if PSA is a front for a deep CIA undercover group that even the president doesn't know about. Probstien is actually a spy for China and a rouge grader from sgc is exposing their IRA connection. Green flip folks, think about it.
    To bigdcards: "you are right" - cpamike "That is correct" -grote15
  • MooseDogMooseDog Posts: 1,946 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>it never rains in California.......man, it pours. >>


    Seems I've often heard that kind of talk before >>



    Actually that line is "It never rains in Southern California.

    Rains up here in NorCal on a (usually) regular basis. And I mean that metaphorically too. image
  • ArchaninatorArchaninator Posts: 827 ✭✭✭
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  • otwcardsotwcards Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Down 20 - 25% since my post...the trend is (not always) your friend. How long until a dividend cut? I predict soon! >>



    Pretty impactful . . . Look what it has done to Apple, too!!! image
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  • handymanhandyman Posts: 5,384 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "The stocks that have high dividends, they will be at risk."
  • I have alot of CLCT stock, I'm gonna wait it out, pondering buying more now
    Rick Probstein
    Ebay Store:
    Probstein123
    phone: 973 747 6304
    email: rickprobstein1@gmail.com

    Probstein123 is actively accepting CONSIGNMENTS !!
  • BrickBrick Posts: 4,995 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Perhaps they are protecting the value of their cards and CLCT by deleting threads they feel are unwarranted attacks on their character.
    Collecting 1960 Topps Baseball in PSA 8
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    Ralph

  • IronmanfanIronmanfan Posts: 5,497 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Perhaps they are protecting the value of their cards and CLCT by deleting threads they feel are unwarranted attacks on their character. >>



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  • 72skywalker72skywalker Posts: 1,545 ✭✭✭
    , I am worried about the future of PSA and the value of PSA graded cards.

    Anyone else? >>



    What you worry???
    Collecting Yankees and vintage Star Wars
  • Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow down 26 out of 30 days in a row.

    The RSI on the stock is 8.18. You very rarely ever see stocks that oversold.

    It looks like the short interest has picked up a decent amount in the past month so a few are definately making money on this decline.

    The good news for CLCT is they have no debt but obviously the stock is not heading in the direction they want.

  • I'm glad I didn't buy more 2 weeks...how low will it go ?
    Rick Probstein
    Ebay Store:
    Probstein123
    phone: 973 747 6304
    email: rickprobstein1@gmail.com

    Probstein123 is actively accepting CONSIGNMENTS !!
  • DboneesqDboneesq Posts: 18,219 ✭✭
    Well, this morning it hit it's 52 week low ($9.50). Sitting at $9.70 right now. That makes the dividend ~13.5%. If the stock remains at this price that's a great return. HOWEVER, the stock has dropped ~32.00% in the past 6 weeks. Will it continue?
    STAY HEALTHY!

    Doug

    Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
  • Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The problem with this stock is it averages just a little over 29,000 shares traded per day and when you have a pick up in the short interest of 240,000 that is a lot of non natural selling pressure and can cause it to collpase like it has.

    If the short sellers want to take their profits it will drive it right back up and since there are no options traded on this security they have no way of hedging out their gains by buying call options after this steep fall.

    The volume looks to be fairly heavy today so perhaps the stock will reverse and close higher and stop the bleading.

    Good luck to anyone who owns the shares.
  • Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    CLCT


    Archaninator did you keep your short position on?


    Your post came exactly right at the low and the stock has bounced 10% from that moment in time.


  • Hello everyone,

    First of all, I hope everyone out there has a happy Thanksgiving weekend. Please enjoy the time with your family and friends.

    Even though we all love collectibles, there are more important things in life and we should take the time to appreciate them.

    As far as this post is concerned, I will make this short and sweet.

    Do not confuse the performance of a stock, including CLCT, with the performance of an individual division, or PSA.

    I am happy to report that PSA had an outstanding year last year and, after the first quarter this year (July-Sept), PSA has recorded double-digit growth year over year.

    Things are VERY healthy at PSA and have been for a long, long time. Our brand is getting stronger and stronger thanks in huge part to your support.

    In addition, anyone who wishes to post unfounded/ridiculous allegations will be removed from the boards - permanently.

    The message boards can be a great place to meet fellow collectors and share information but we will not tolerate that kind of behavior.

    Sincerely,

    Joe Orlando
    President




    Joe Orlando
    CEO, Collectors Universe, Inc.
  • MeferMefer Posts: 1,163 ✭✭✭
    I just read this thread. I am not exactly sure I understand the point or see what is the concern. I do not profess to follow the stock market and am personally of the mindset of one who would rather invest in tangible things (such as cards). With that said, I am in no type of panic mode with my cards and those I have graded by PSA. For what I collect, prices still remain strong and I have seen no noticeable drop in pricing.

    What I have read on the threads recently are issues with noticeably longer grading turn around times. That suggests to me a busy PSA and also suggests many continue to view PSA as a "value added" service. I continue to believe it is a value added service.

    With that said, I generally find the boards to be highly tolerant of an assortment of complaints. However, I do agree that bald accusations on these boards serve no benefit and PSA has every right to remove such comments (as would the owner of any board). I am all for civil discussion on any topic related to the hobby but such discussion should be supported, in my view, by reasoned opinion and, where necessary, facts.

    In any event I am not a PSA employee. I am just a long time collector who has been on these boards for quite some time (though who does not post "regularly"). I will continue to enjoy the hobby and the value added afforded by PSA.

    Cheers!

    Matt
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  • Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Collectors Universe reported their F3Q13 Results today and they were strong.

    From the conference call transcripts: We continue to see a steady and increasing volume of submissions for grading sports cards and autographs too. Our PSA card grading business is tracking 12% ahead of last years's pace.


    Me: It is nice to see continued strength in the PSA brand for trading cards.

  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>By not answering specific questions... >>



    Heh.
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • digicatdigicat Posts: 8,551 ✭✭
    I guess the customers have spoken, they prefer the PSA brand even if it means getting an inferior holder.

    PSA has zero motivation to improve the holder now.
    My Giants collection want list

    WTB: 2001 Leaf Rookies & Stars Longevity: Ryan Jensen #/25
  • mccardguy1mccardguy1 Posts: 1,509 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I guess the customers have spoken, they prefer the PSA brand even if it means getting an inferior holder.

    PSA has zero motivation to improve the holder now. >>



    I dont think that PSA really has intentions to change their holder as there is literally no need to as you mentioned. Although, I suspect if they did change the holder there could potentially be a windfall for the company with many anal collectors wanting the new holders for all their cards, including the already graded cards in their collection. I can see many collectors submitting cards for re-holdering and PSA could make a mint offering a reholder special if they did design a new one.

    I think at this point profit might prove to be their only motivation to make a holder change (this is not a rip on the company...only stating what I see as fact). I would personally like to see them keep the design of the current holder but make it more tamper evident. I think doing this will solidify their position as the grader of choice for many collectors.
    I am on a budget and I am not afraid to use it!!


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    << <i>I guess the customers have spoken, they prefer the PSA brand even if it means getting an inferior holder.

    PSA has zero motivation to improve the holder now. >>



    I dont think that PSA really has intentions to change their holder as there is literally no need to as you mentioned. Although, I suspect if they did change the holder there could potentially be a windfall for the company with many anal collectors wanting the new holders for all their cards, including the already graded cards in their collection. I can see many collectors submitting cards for re-holdering and PSA could make a mint offering a reholder special if they did design a new one.

    I think at this point profit might prove to be their only motivation to make a holder change (this is not a rip on the company...only stating what I see as fact). I would personally like to see them keep the design of the current holder but make it more tamper evident. I think doing this will solidify their position as the grader of choice for many collectors. >>



    3rd party reholder'r?
  • psychumppsychump Posts: 1,378 ✭✭✭
    As long as you keep resubmitting...Get It Right The First Time
    Tallulah Bankhead — 'There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare.'
  • NikklosNikklos Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭
    I am liking their move into Asia. Today, I am proud to be a CLCT shareholder!
    Nikklos
  • MapleleafMapleleaf Posts: 506
    While I'm happy to see PSA doing well and the stock price rising, I think it is unfortunate that PSA is part of a publicly traded company. It puts pressure on them to accept cards from large submitters that have less than stellar business practices. There can be a tendency to cater to stock price rather than the product delivered.
  • NikklosNikklos Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭
    I think that PSA would accept business from large submitters (even those of questionable integrity) regardless of whether it was public or private.

    Boy, I'll say one thing - when shorts scramble out of a thinly traded stock, it is a sight to behold.
    Nikklos
  • Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What is wild about CLCT is it has a short ratio of 29.20. I have never seen a stock with one that high.

    As I said before there are no options on this stock so there is no way to hedge that position. Ouch.

  • elsnortoelsnorto Posts: 2,012 ✭✭


    << <i>What is wild about CLCT is it has a short ratio of 29.20. I have never seen a stock with one that high.

    As I said before there are no options on this stock so there is no way to hedge that position. Ouch. >>




    That is a ton of short interest, especially on a micro cap. It's not entirely uncommon to see ratios that high (or higher!) in speculative biotechs, especially those depending on a binary event such as FDA approval.

    I'm happy CLCT shareholders got almost a 10% bump today. I lost my nerve with it some time ago and sold for basically break even out of concerns for the dividend sustainability.

    It's still on my watch list and I may jump back in if the fundamentals continue to improve... I do miss that divy yield. image

    Snorto~
  • Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You may know this but the short ratio is the number of shares sold short divided by the average daily volume. The percentage of the float sold short was around 13%. There are tons of stocks that have a higher percentage of the float sold short but very few if any that would take 29.2 days of trading to cover.



  • elsnortoelsnorto Posts: 2,012 ✭✭


    << <i>You may know this but the short ratio is the number of shares sold short divided by the average daily volume. The percentage of the float sold short was around 13%. There are tons of stocks that have a higher percentage of the float sold short but very few if any that would take 29.2 days of trading to cover. >>



    Check out EXEL. image

    Snorto~
  • Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    CLCT has been on the move. It closed today at $15.48 and hit an intra day high of $15.90.

    As of last month there was still a 15.90% short position.

    Nice to see Collectors Universe stock doing well.


  • Dpeck100Dpeck100 Posts: 10,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    CLCT closed at $20.35 today.

    This is the highest closing price for the companies stock in the past 10 years. If you look at a longer term chart it appears it hasn't been this high in over 13 years.



  • esquiresportsesquiresports Posts: 1,360 ✭✭✭
    Thanks Dpeck. It's appreciated when people like you take the time to bring old threads back to life. Congratulations to the CLCT team on crossing the $20.00 per share threshold. It's great to have them as a neighbor here in Newport Beach.
    Always buying 1971 OPC Baseball packs.
  • DboneesqDboneesq Posts: 18,219 ✭✭
    So the price went up ~70% this past year and the dividend is still paying ~6.5%. Pretty nice company to own this past year!
    STAY HEALTHY!

    Doug

    Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
  • Bosox1976Bosox1976 Posts: 8,557 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice -- hope nobody here shorted it.
    Mike
    Bosox1976
  • wrestlingcardkingwrestlingcardking Posts: 4,555 ✭✭✭✭
    good info, thanks for sharing
    BUYING Frank Gotch T229 Kopec
    Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
  • I give this stock a sell !

    I think might be time to sell

    gold and coin market is going into a bear market I believe far into the near future, as people hedging start to leave.

    I edit almost all my posts because my auto correct is crazy !
  • dbcoindbcoin Posts: 2,200 ✭✭
    The coin market has never been stronger. The company publishes daily stats on their coins graded. Numbers have never been higher. They just came out with a 3D hologram that will get inserted in the slab so as to be able to tell if the holder is counterfeit.
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭
    I think this stock is a BUY as well.....the high divedend is intriguing and PSA is so busy, they have a hard time logging orders in time!
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