Conder token ?

jfoot13 · August 16, 2012 5:35AM

I picked this up from an auction lot, the holder said D&H 234 in white metal.. I don't know a lot about these but I seem to remember see a photo of this design posted here some time ago. any information appreciated.

thanks
Ken

TwoKopeiki · August 16, 2012 5:45AM

I've seen these in copper, but not white metal. It's an anti-slavery conder token.

Aethelred · August 16, 2012 10:28AM

Is there anything on the edge?

jfoot13 · August 16, 2012 10:45AM

plain edge

coinkat · August 16, 2012 11:15AM

I do not recall seeing this in a white metal- but I am not an expert

TwoKopeiki · August 16, 2012 11:19AM

Now that i'm looking at it at home - it looks cast, not struck. I've never dabbled in Conders, but I don't think these were ever cast, so I would question authenticity.

TwoKopeiki · August 16, 2012 11:23AM

Here's a link to an example of this token / medal at The British Museum. The one in the link is struck bronze, according to the description, although it looks copper to me.

jfoot13 · August 16, 2012 11:30AM

you are right it does appear it may be cast at first I thought it was damage from being in the ground

Aethelred · August 16, 2012 1:30PM

D&H 234 was struck in copper, D&H 235, 237 and 238 were struck in white metal. None were cast as this example appears to be.

It should also be noted that all of the white metal examples have the words "DO TO YOU" on the reverse rather than "DO UNTO YOU." For that reason this can't be a genuine example regardless.

jfoot13 · August 16, 2012 1:50PM

Thank you very much for sharing the information... It's a good day when you learn something new

Aethelred · August 16, 2012 10:31PM

I just wish the news had been better.

jfoot13 · August 17, 2012 12:57AM

the truth is good news

The piece is pictured and documented here to use as reference in the future. From my understanding this piece came out of an old collection with many high high grade pieces ( I'll post some images of some of the other pieces I picked up a little later ) but if this is a contemorary counterfeit it might fit well in a specialized collection. It is what it is, a piece if history and part of the fun of numismatics is the history behind the piece.

thanks again
Ken

lordmarcovan · August 18, 2012 7:25PM

Actually, that's a neat piece, even if it's not really a Conder token per se. That slave motif was popular and used on a lot of stuff, so there's no telling what the story is behind your cast piece, there. It definitely looks old and I'd bet it's from the period (say circa 1790s to maybe the 1830s or '40s). Perhaps an unknown variant created for a purpose that's been lost to history.

Conder token ?

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