Conder token ?

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jfoot13
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I picked this up from an auction lot, the holder said D&H 234 in white metal.. I don't know a lot about these but I seem to remember see a photo of this design posted here some time ago. any information appreciated.

thanks
Ken

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  • TwoKopeiki
    TwoKopeiki Posts: 9,969 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I've seen these in copper, but not white metal. It's an anti-slavery conder token.
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  • Aethelred
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    Is there anything on the edge?
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  • jfoot13
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    plain edge
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  • coinkat
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    I do not recall seeing this in a white metal- but I am not an expert

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  • TwoKopeiki
    TwoKopeiki Posts: 9,969 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Now that i'm looking at it at home - it looks cast, not struck. I've never dabbled in Conders, but I don't think these were ever cast, so I would question authenticity.
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  • TwoKopeiki
    TwoKopeiki Posts: 9,969 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Here's a link to an example of this token / medal at The British Museum. The one in the link is struck bronze, according to the description, although it looks copper to me.

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  • jfoot13
    jfoot13 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭
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    you are right it does appear it may be cast at first I thought it was damage from being in the ground
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  • Aethelred
    Aethelred Posts: 9,291 ✭✭✭
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    D&H 234 was struck in copper, D&H 235, 237 and 238 were struck in white metal. None were cast as this example appears to be.

    It should also be noted that all of the white metal examples have the words "DO TO YOU" on the reverse rather than "DO UNTO YOU." For that reason this can't be a genuine example regardless.
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  • jfoot13
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    Thank you very much for sharing the information... It's a good day when you learn something new image
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  • Aethelred
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    I just wish the news had been better.
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  • jfoot13
    jfoot13 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭
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    the truth is good news image The piece is pictured and documented here to use as reference in the future. From my understanding this piece came out of an old collection with many high high grade pieces ( I'll post some images of some of the other pieces I picked up a little later ) but if this is a contemorary counterfeit it might fit well in a specialized collection. It is what it is, a piece if history and part of the fun of numismatics is the history behind the piece.

    thanks again
    Ken
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  • lordmarcovan
    lordmarcovan Posts: 45,335 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Actually, that's a neat piece, even if it's not really a Conder token per se. That slave motif was popular and used on a lot of stuff, so there's no telling what the story is behind your cast piece, there. It definitely looks old and I'd bet it's from the period (say circa 1790s to maybe the 1830s or '40s). Perhaps an unknown variant created for a purpose that's been lost to history.

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