Bid retractions
Maurice
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How often do you retract bids on ebay?
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Maurice
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Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
<< <i>I would say four times a year. I usually send the seller a message explaining my reason for doing so. 99% of the time when I do retract a bid it is because the card I need for a collection that I am working on was either found or I made an error in needing it for the collection. I have now started using powersnipe for all the cards that I need...... so now that I think of it I would never need to retract a bid. Good I feel better. >>
That's the key... if you use an auction sniping program, you'd never have to retract your bid. The obvious exception is "Make Offer" BINs.
<< <i>I did it once, somehow I bid $9999.99 rather than $9.99. I still think it was an eBay error, as I don't know how I would have typed so many 9s, but I cancelled my bid and rebid appropriately. >>
edited to add...I won the card for less than $4 in the end, but I didn't want to take a gamble that it would take off.
This is absolutely my biggest complaint. Retractions should not be allowed EVER! I know, people are going to cry about that comment, but there really is no reason to allow retractions.
Joe
<< <i>I know this thread has an "angle" but on a serious note and bypassing all that, I do not think that I have ever.... >>
I think its cause someone had 9 bid retractions in last 6 months
Joe
Bowman Baseball -1948-1955
Fleer Baseball-1923, 1959-2007
Al
People make mistakes. People change their minds. People have financial hardships. People are people. It's not a big deal... if this was the biggest concern in my life, I've have a very blessed life indeed!!!
I think there should be a three strikes and your out rule.
6, 10, 25 is BS in my opinion and one of the major draw backs from bidding on items on EBAY. They need to put their foot down on this one.
As far as "people making mistakes" goes, it's not a mistake if you type in a bid and then confirm it. People that can't afford to bid on auctions should not bid on them. If, as a seller someone asks permission to retract, of course you know you are screwed, if you refuse, they won't honor their bids.
I am neither wealthy or all that smart, however I have never had to retract a bid in 14 years. I have been royally screwed by a shill bidder who retracted their bid at the last minute.
Let people have 1 a year, just to be "fair" after that, either force them to honor their bids or charge them an increasing amount for each bid retraction.
" It's not a big deal... if this was the biggest concern in my life, I've have a very blessed life indeed!!! "
So then, I can't complain about anything, unless it's having Cancer, which thankfully I don't.
Joe
<< <i>Bunch of Bull, your response is the only valid reason in my book to retract a bid.
I think there should be a three strikes and your out rule.
6, 10, 25 is BS in my opinion and one of the major draw backs from bidding on items on EBAY. They need to put their foot down on this one. >>
It's not enforceable. I deal with contract law almost daily. People have to learn to pick their battles. Unless you can change Local, State and Federal laws, you will not win this fight. eBay has teams of lawyers... they're not going to throw good money at bad polices. It would be corporate suicide.
We can either learn to accept other peoples foibles or we can continue to complain about others. I choose to accept the other 7 billion people for who they are... including myself.
If someone wants to retract a bid on any of my listings... retract away. I promise I won't throw you under the bus on this or any other forum.
<< <i>Bunch of Bull, your response is the only valid reason in my book to retract a bid.
I think there should be a three strikes and your out rule.
6, 10, 25 is BS in my opinion and one of the major draw backs from bidding on items on EBAY. They need to put their foot down on this one. >>
I agree Bunch of Bull's reason to retract, you immediately rebid in the correct amount. I'll bet most bid retractions are merely fishing trips to see how high the high bid is, once that is revealed high bidder is screwed.
I guess snipes are the way to go.
Joe
What should happen is if they retract their bid all of their bids are canceled.
People change their minds. If people didn't change their minds, there wouldn't be divorces. If people didn't change their minds, there wouldn't be abortions. Accept that other people are flawed (and so are you)... and move on.
I can write a 1,000 new threads on people making mistakes during my short time in Iraq and Afghanistan. Mistakes that cost them and in many cases their families their lives. People are flawed... people make poor decisions. I've been shot and blown up several times and each time the perp paid for their mistakes with their lives. I would think someone making a simple mistake (changing their mind on a eBay bid) would be accepted as a simple mistake. It's all about perspective.
<< <i>I certainly have won a few cards where someone retracted their bid.
What should happen is if they retract their bid all of their bids are canceled. >>
eBay has policy in place to protect the seller.
Time restrictions for retracting a bid
Listing ends in more than 12 hours
When you retract the bid, we remove all bids you placed on the item. If you are correcting a bidding error, you must bid again.
Listing ends in less than 12 hours
When you retract the bid, we remove only your most recent bid. Bids you placed prior to the last 12 hours of the listing are not removed.
Or if I am trying to run someone up and I go over.
And if I'm trying to screw with someone.
Lastly, if I'm drunk.
Hope I made your day!
<< <i>You guys live in a too idealistic world.
People change their minds. If people didn't change their minds, there wouldn't be divorces. If people didn't change their minds, there wouldn't be abortions. Accept that other people are flawed (and so are you)... and move on.
I can write a 1,000 new threads on people making mistakes during my short time in Iraq and Afghanistan. Mistakes that cost them and in many cases their families their lives. People are flawed... people make poor decisions. I've been shot and blown up several times and each time the perp paid for their mistakes with their lives. I would think someone making a simple mistake (changing their mind on a eBay bid) would be accepted as a simple mistake. It's all about perspective. >>
Obviously I am not the only person who feels the policy on retractions should be changed. These boards were created for just this sort of discussion/complaint.
NO ONE EVER SAID THIS WAS THAT IMPORTANT! There is a difference between a legitimate mistake and abuse of a system. Just because this insignificant problem does not compare with war, divorce or abortion, doesn't mean it cannot be discussed.
I will continue to point out problems as I see them, as a member of Collectors Universe that is my right.
Thank you,
Joe
I'm not attacking you; but you're missing my point. The ONLY thing this thread accomplishes is nothing. You can't change eBay's policies on this forum. It began as a personal attack against another member... period.
I'm a little jealous that while my friends are dying here, some of you sit at home and find the need to discuss such trivial matters as these... the net result of this post is nil. Nothing will come from this thread aside from another thread attacking two individuals by two other individuals. What if I identified mistakes and poor decisions of these individuals and posted them for all to debate... would that be acceptable behaviour? Obviously the answer is no, but we continue to feed this feud. We could ban them but they'd come back as alts and reveal themselves fairly quickly and the whole process will start anew.
There's no abuse of the system... ebay policy allows bid retractions as does federal law. Sometimes in life we have to accept that we don't always get our way. Find several politicians that share your same views and maybe, eventually, eBay will change their bid retraction policy.
Of course we could change the name of this forum to SPORTS CARDS & MEMORABILIA and discuss sports cards and memorabilia... but that would be boring; sans the personal attacks. What fun is that?
You can't win a circular debate that doesn't effect change.
The amount that "many" constitutes may mean different amounts for different people... and that is entirely up to that individual.
I am not referring to any individual with this post, but relating it to life in general.
You are absolutely completely TOTALLY wrong about getting eBay's bid retraction policy changed. They can change it as they see fit without any governmental approval.
Since I am too stupid to understand your point why are you continuing to explain it to me?
Finally, most if not all of these threads accomplish nothing. They're DISCUSSION boards............WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE not changing the world.
Joe
<< <i>A simple mistake is just that... a simple mistake. Making many simple mistakes makes that person someone I do not want to deal with in business or my personal life.
The amount that "many" constitutes may mean different amounts for different people... and that is entirely up to that individual.
I am not referring to any individual with this post, but relating it to life in general. >>
Agreed, we all have our self-established threshold of acceptable behaviour that we use to manage our sanity.
I assume you meant to say "making many simple (repetitive) mistakes" as I haven't met anyone that doesn't make many simple mistakes.
<< <i>Okay,sorry all I will ever discuss for the rest of my life is what you deem important. What AM I allowed to talk about?
You are absolutely completely TOTALLY wrong about getting eBay's bid retraction policy changed. They can change it as they see fit without any governmental approval.
Since I am too stupid to understand your point why are you continuing to explain it to me?
Finally, most if not all of these threads accomplish nothing. They're DISCUSSION boards............WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE not changing the world.
Joe >>
You're correct, eBay could change their policy as they see fit, but instead they've chosen to stay within the confounds of the law. If they did change their policy to make bid retractions more restrictive, they would more than likely be sued by someone who felt they were unduly harmed by their unlawful policy. It would be a costly mistake by eBay.
I would disagree that most of the threads on this forum accomplish nothing... I've learned a considerable amount on these forums and have developed a large network of "experts" that I hope to meet one day. I look forward to most threads and even read the ones that I currently have no interest. I've developed a lot of new interests reading said threads.
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<< <i>A simple mistake is just that... a simple mistake. Making many simple mistakes makes that person someone I do not want to deal with in business or my personal life.
The amount that "many" constitutes may mean different amounts for different people... and that is entirely up to that individual.
I am not referring to any individual with this post, but relating it to life in general. >>
Agreed, we all have our self-established threshold of acceptable behaviour that we use to manage our sanity.
I assume you meant to say "making many simple (repetitive) mistakes" as I haven't met anyone that doesn't make many simple mistakes. >>
Yes, I guess many repetitive mistakes, but even a variety of simple mistakes would make me think twice, although the threshold for the amount would be higher.
Or make one simple change; person "A" bids several times, reaches and surpasses high bidder, then retracts bid. In this case it's obvious "A" has not entered the wrong amount and regardless of time remaining in auction should not be allowed to retract. If a retraction is allowed because people make "mistakes" (not really a mistake usually, done with complete intent) then all of their bids should be removed regardless of time remaining in auction.
I got burned in this exact scenario, because bidder "A" was bidding at the end of the auction, only his final bid was retracted. Bidder "A" had fifteen lower bids that were honored. Yeah, right he made a mistake.
How about if for each bid retraction, eBay adds another step to the bidding process. A page appears explaining the bidding/bid retraction rules and asks if bidder understands. Bidder then must agree before continuing. Make it a little harder to retract. The more you retract the more times the "explanation" page comes up.
It seems to me that the "Terms and conditions" should make it more difficult for the "shill" bidders to find out how high the high bid is without some kind of safe guard. I would like to think that eBay would be a much improved site if this was the case. I chose eBay for this exact reason. I was winning far too many phone auctions at my exact top-all bid.
Another word that has come up here is "mistake". I would bet that 95% of all bid retractions are NOT mistakes, people should suffer some form of consequence for abusing the privilege. After all isn't this in effect stealing?
I am going to email eBay and make a suggestion/complaint regarding bid retractions, however I won't be holding my breath waiting for them to change anything.
For any of you fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, thanks for your service to our country and please be safe.
Joe
<< <i>Oh too many to count, I generally do it when I want to know a sellers reserve.
Or if I am trying to run someone up and I go over.
And if I'm trying to screw with someone.
Lastly, if I'm drunk.
Hope I made your day!
+1
Its a non-issue to me. I would much rather have bids retracted than NPB.
John
Thank you for your service. Men and women fighting for our country have zip to do with collecting baseball cards. As a citizen who appreciates your service, I'd rather you leave the uniform out of trivial matters. You're not doing your colleagues any good with what you're throwing down here anyway.
-CDs Nuts, 1/20/14
*1956 Topps baseball- 97.4% complete, 7.24 GPA
*Clemente basic set: 85.0% complete, 7.89 GPA
<< <i>The ONLY thing this thread accomplishes is nothing. >>
I will say, I haven't used the eBay cell phone app since that event.
That said, as a seller, I'd rather a bidder ask for a cancellation (which I've granted) or retract their bid early onn than win the auction and not pay. Heck, I even allow winning bidders to cancel the transaction after the fact, versus potentially receiving retribution from someone with ill-intent. A retraction for me means less headaches later.
<< <i>What's sad is llafoe accusing board members of acting like children when he uses the military force field to justify his opinions on a card collecting message board.
Thank you for your service. Men and women fighting for our country have zip to do with collecting baseball cards. As a citizen who appreciates your service, I'd rather you leave the uniform out of trivial matters. You're not doing your colleagues any good with what you're throwing down here anyway. >>
As a troll and an alt you have no validity on these boards... carry on.
This thread was began as a personal attack. The dozens of personal attacks threads from these two "members" should have all been titled "MBMiller25 - another personal attack" so we wouldn't be misled to believe they were valid threads.
1. Most members can count on one hand the amount of bid retractions they've ever made.
2. 9 bid retractions in 6 months is considered by the majority to be an unusually high amount, and may even suggest someone is acting improperly.
3. The current US Military IQ requirements are far too low.
<< <i>Llafoe, are you a lawyer? Or do you just make statements implying that you are on message boards? Please educate us as to which "local, state, and federal laws" apply to the issue of bid retractions on eBay. Thank you. >>
No I'm not a lawyer and no I haven't implied that I'm a lawyer. If I had written it's against the law to drive 60 mph in a 55 mph zone, would you have stated that I implied I'm a lawyer?
I am an author of many contracts (personal, corporate and international)... I know from personal experience that any contract I write isn't enforceable by law and is only valid if the contractee is ethical enough to comply with said contract. I've studied contract law (and even passed each course I enrolled), but I'm not a lawyer.
There are valid reasons (although we collectively may disagree to which reasons are valid) to get out of any contract. Even if the contract is enforceable, it would be foolish and costly (both financially and with regard to reputation) for me to pursue the other party.
<< <i>What I've learned from this thread:
1. Most members can count on one hand the amount of bid retractions they've ever made.
2. 9 bid retractions in 6 months is considered by the majority to be an unusually high amount, and may even suggest someone is acting improperly.
3. The current US Military IQ requirements are far too low. >>
My IQ is 161... what's yours?
It's sad that you feel the need to attack me and 3,000,000 other members of the US Armed Forces; the very ones that allow you the freedom to make these comments on any forum you frequent. Having fought in 3 different wars (4 combat tours) and visited 71 countries, I can assure you your freedoms are much greater than any other countries.
<< <i>Anyone with 9 retractions in 6 months is either behaving improperly or just plain too stupid to be allowed on eBay. Either way kick them off!!!!!
Joe >>
But hey some people just change their minds a lot. It's like taking my kid to Toys 'r Us and he wants everything he sees. Maybe some people need to take a deep breath before entering that bid.
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<< <i>What I've learned from this thread:
1. Most members can count on one hand the amount of bid retractions they've ever made.
2. 9 bid retractions in 6 months is considered by the majority to be an unusually high amount, and may even suggest someone is acting improperly.
3. The current US Military IQ requirements are far too low. >>
My IQ is 161... what's yours?
It's sad that you feel the need to attack me and 3,000,000 other members of the US Armed Forces; the very ones that allow you the freedom to make these comments on any forum you frequent. Having fought in 3 different wars (4 combat tours) and visited 71 countries, I can assure you your freedoms are much greater than any other countries. >>
Sorry but anyone who has to announce their IQ to a message board of strangers can't be as bright as they claim to be!
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<< <i>What I've learned from this thread:
1. Most members can count on one hand the amount of bid retractions they've ever made.
2. 9 bid retractions in 6 months is considered by the majority to be an unusually high amount, and may even suggest someone is acting improperly.
3. The current US Military IQ requirements are far too low. >>
My IQ is 161... what's yours?
It's sad that you feel the need to attack me and 3,000,000 other members of the US Armed Forces; the very ones that allow you the freedom to make these comments on any forum you frequent. Having fought in 3 different wars (4 combat tours) and visited 71 countries, I can assure you your freedoms are much greater than any other countries. >>
Sorry but anyone who has to announce their IQ to a message board of strangers can't be as bright as they claim to be! >>
Sorry but anyone who challenges someone with an IQ of 161 on a message board of strangers can't be as bright as they claim to be!
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<< <i>What I've learned from this thread:
1. Most members can count on one hand the amount of bid retractions they've ever made.
2. 9 bid retractions in 6 months is considered by the majority to be an unusually high amount, and may even suggest someone is acting improperly.
3. The current US Military IQ requirements are far too low. >>
My IQ is 161... what's yours?
It's sad that you feel the need to attack me and 3,000,000 other members of the US Armed Forces; the very ones that allow you the freedom to make these comments on any forum you frequent. Having fought in 3 different wars (4 combat tours) and visited 71 countries, I can assure you your freedoms are much greater than any other countries. >>
Sorry but anyone who has to announce their IQ to a message board of strangers can't be as bright as they claim to be! >>
Sorry but anyone who challenges someone with an IQ of 161 on a message board of strangers can't be as bright as they claim to be!
Let's just say that I could care less if your IQ is 161(doubtful) or 61. Anyone who has to announce such things is usually suffering from some other issues in their lives. Do you think people around here are going to be impressed with your claims of being a genius?
Get well soon!
care somewhat. Or is that what you meant? (that you care some?)
perhaps, we should be saying "give care!", which is kinda like saying "give a crap!"......
in which case, by saying "take care!" you are really saying "take a crap!"......
don't withhold that crap, people. lesson learned. take care.