Another Chinese counterfeit half dime being offered on eBay
MrHalfDime
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There is yet another bogus counterfeit Draped Bust half dime for sale on eBay, an 1805. It is obviously one of the Chinese counterfeits, and not a genuine U. S. Mint product. I have sent an email to the seller, but he has yet to respond. Even at a bid of just $100, this is way over priced. Prospective bidders should not be deceived by this counterfeit.
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is it just me or are all the coins this person has listed counterfeit, including the pcgs walker?
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The Walker seems to be the only real one to me.
Here is a genuine example in VF-35.
Edited to add:
Every 1805 half dime I have seen is weak on the reverse opposite the bust of Ms. Liberty. I've seen two die rotations of this coin. The other one is rotated so that the reverse weakness is more to the top of the clouds on the reverse instead of the right side as it is on my coin.
From the tiny picture it appears that this "1805 half dime" is fully struck, which is never the case on a genuine piece.
<< <i>There is yet another bogus counterfeit Draped Bust half dime for sale on eBay, an 1805. It is obviously one of the Chinese counterfeits, and not a genuine U. S. Mint product. I have sent an email to the seller, but he has yet to respond. Even at a bid of just $100, this is way over priced. Prospective bidders should not be deceived by this counterfeit. >>
I get the feeling that you will not get a response from the seller. Have you notified eBay? They can take a sale down even after it occurs.
An authorized PCGS dealer, and a contributor to the Red Book.
<< <i>How do you know it is a Chinese counterfeit? Are there diagnostics? >>
If I could see a larger picture, I probably could tell you more.
The buyer of this piece at $299 has got be greedy or dumber than a bag of hammers. Even a low grade example of this date sells for more than four times that, and a really sharp one brings a five figure price easily.
This reminds me of a guy who showed up to our local club one night with a 1796 silver dollar he'd bought off the Internet for $200. It was a "naked eye" counterfeit because the bust of Ms. Liberty was off-center to the left like a well known 1795 variety. He asked me what I thought of his purchase, and when I told him it was counterfeit, he got angry at me. It did not matter than a real one was worth over $10,000 with the amount of detail that his counterfeit had. It was a matter of shooting the messenger.
The coin has the 'look' of the ubiquitous Chinese counterfeits, and as Bill Jones states, a Buy-it-Now price of $300 for a VG is unrealistic, suggesting that the seller knew what he was selling. This may also explain the terribly small images he posted.
No, I did not notify eBay.
<< <i>Thanks for reporting this listing to us. I reviewed this listing and confirmed that it violated our Selling Currency policy due to the poor image. As a result, I removed the listing. Again, thank you for your report. We appreciate your help in keeping eBay a safe and reputable forum to conduct business. Sincerely, Judith Coin and Stamp Policy Specialist eBay Customer Support Original Message Follows: ------------------------ Form Message: %44443% 010800 D_ID070520121736D_ID/W_ID267590648W_ID/S_ID000S_ID/C_ID5034176003C_ID Subject: BN%P10072 Selling Coins [#US A22 100880T ?01 G99] User Feedback: 3728 User State: ?01 Browser info: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64) AppleWebKit/536.11 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/20.0.1132.47 Safari/536.11 Topics > eBay Policies > Rules for Sellers > Listing Policies for Sellers > Selling Coins Item number(s): 180922010727 $US US !00000! 012712 ?01 -01 Message: Think this is a counterfeit hiding in a unacceptable blurred small image. >>
just to add to the fray
i am of the opinion the seller may not posses the coins but just the images.
the 1916-d in the pcgs holder seems to match up to the heritage images through the pcgs cert verification link
with all the other issues of the account it is hard to imagine the account owner possessing that higher valued dime in the holder.
one thing that stopped me in my tracks was it looked like the account owner had an original image and marks on the coin matched those of the heritage sold coin
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Every 1805 half dime I have seen is weak on the reverse opposite the bust of Ms. Liberty. I've seen two die rotations of this coin. The other one is rotated so that the reverse weakness is more to the top of the clouds on the reverse instead of the right side as it is on my coin.
From the tiny picture it appears that this "1805 half dime" is fully struck, which is never the case on a genuine piece. >>
My specimen of the 1805 half dime, in considerably worse shape, has the same reverse weakness mentioned by BillJones.
Remember, too, that there is just one known die marriage for the 1805 half dime, meaning that they were all struck from the same die pair, and with such a small mintage (15,600), they were probably all struck on the same day.
As would be expected, my VF-20 example exhibits the same reverse weakness described by Bill Jones.
It was struck with artificial wear. It looks like crap and the wear is uneven. Dead giveaway
Hey, hey, let's not be a cyber snob. I've been doing that for several weeks now
Now if I could only learn to take and post images.
<< <i>"most notable to me is that MrHalfDime has discovered how to put a link in his post!"
Hey, hey, let's not be a cyber snob. I've been doing that for several weeks now
Now if I could only learn to take and post images. >>