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is this 1879 cc/cc an ms69?

LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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what kind of dipping/polishing job would create surfaces like this

ya ya i know, an ebay link

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  • lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,873 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ?whizzed
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  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,516 ✭✭✭✭✭
    from the auction:

    sold as is
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    14 day return policy

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  • lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,873 ✭✭✭✭✭
    now thats a scratch

    where's the s

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,843 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Getting an MS-69 grade for a Morgan Dollar is virtually impossible. That is a general statement.

    For this piece, the strike is not perfect. The eagle's breast feathers are not sharp and the hair is flat above the ear. Of greater concern is the luster which has an odd, unnatural cast to it. I think that your chances of getting an MS-69 on that coin are nil, and if there are issues with the luster, you might get it back in a "genuine" holder.
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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,328 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • DorkGirlDorkGirl Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭
    It looks whizzed to me too.
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  • RampageRampage Posts: 9,512 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree that the coin has been whizzed upon.


  • mbogomanmbogoman Posts: 5,241 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Whizzed. The whiz lines are clearly visible in several places on both obv and rev.
  • metalmeistermetalmeister Posts: 4,596 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Agree, too badimage
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  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,432 ✭✭✭
    "is this 1879 cc/cc an ms69?"
    well this one's simple...NO
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  • stealerstealer Posts: 4,036 ✭✭✭✭
    Strike limits that coin to a 66 at best...just kidding image. It's whizzed.
  • michiganboymichiganboy Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭
    I agree its whizzed.
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  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Most intense reflectivity I've ever seen for the date, truly incredible for the most often matte-ish over-mintmark.

    A coin that looks so nice you'd want to look at it twice, I examined our fair lady under 600x in a desperate search for flow lines. While a few other peculiar abberations were notable (the rim nick actually should have been filed if he thought 69 was the right number), and others made me curious, nothing about the entire situation incensed me so much as that the seller would attempt to delude people into believing that anything less than a Himalayan hair curl over the ear would qualify for such an exalted grade.

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    Whizzing had been, until the Web opened up access to the uninitiated, mostly a lost art form. For its time, a major technological advance because of the ignorance that abounded. So dramatic was its success that the outrage educated the industry quickly.

    A new generation will get to study frauds recorded going back to the ancient Greeks.

    Brian Fanton, a fellow instructor in Intro to US Grading at Colorado Springs, pointed out the following to the class.

    The metal moved by the whizzing brushes has to go somewhere. It pushes up against the devices, stars, rims, whereever it can go to get away from the field's bottom depth where the brushes have most leverage. This is a totally different halo effect than that sometimes seen as a toning pattern, but the visual cue might prove useful to some.

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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree it is whizzed. Is that doubling on the 1 in the date or just lighting.

    Would this coin be worth AU money.......just asking.
  • ShortgapbobShortgapbob Posts: 2,332 ✭✭✭
    We have ourselves a whizzer!

    This type coin was probably easier to sell in the pre internet days. Thankfully, there are more educated buyers today.
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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I agree it is whizzed. Is that doubling on the 1 in the date or just lighting.

    Would this coin be worth AU money.......just asking. >>



    yes. the 18 on the date is referred to as strong doubling for a morgan dollar. maybe a triple 1 and doubled 8.

    worth au money, i certainly hope not
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  • ColonelJessupColonelJessup Posts: 6,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A couple of years ago I tentatively appraised, brokered and sold an 1889-CC S$1, wholesome old crust over surfaces untouched for 50 years. The meat of an XF and a small but neat hole through the upper loop of the second 8. Even the inside of the hole was crusty, not reflective.

    Pure stab in the dark, I told him $400 because I'd sold a holed Cleaned Bust S$1 to an Internet hokester for the same amount. I'd pay $200. Same as for the Bust S$1. Memoed, the second dealer to see the 89-CC after I noted "this is strange. Any idea? thanked me for the favor at $450. His customer knew what he was getting and would never own that kind of strike for less than $1750 otherwise. Repair for $100 and never an attempt to defraud.

    I get it. It's a specialist's area image

    In the case of the 79-CC the intent to defraud is the raison d'etre, not as a love token for a miner's lady's a necklace.

    What would be left afterwards if I subjected it to "artificial wear"? Seems the most ethical of paths other than destruction.

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  • WTCGWTCG Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭
    Very good example of a whizzed coin.
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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,301 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>It's whizzed. >>

    image its whizzed for sure
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,843 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, I just got a new computer, and I'm getting used to the new monitor.

    Sadly, yes, the coin has been whizzed. image
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  • rheddenrhedden Posts: 6,632 ✭✭✭✭✭
    is this 1879 cc/cc an ms69?


    No, but it was probably treated with "MS70"... after they got done grinding down on the buffer, that is.

  • DRUNNERDRUNNER Posts: 3,901 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Supreme Court Justice Byron White had a nickname . . . . . . .

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  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,379 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Whizzed.
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  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Why are you asking if it's MS when the seller has it listed as AU?
    Also it has bids and I asked him if he knew it is whizzed as he does not state that in the auction.
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