I agree that an uncancelled gold-stamped Winner Card of Andre would be epic. Winner Cards were way before their time creating parallel versions of cards before they were collectible. Do you think that the cancelled versions would receive any grade higher than "Poor" due to the writing on the back of the card? I buy the cancelled cards since the stamps are so rare. Less than 10% were stamped for the older sets. About 10% for the newer sets.
I heard back from psa after I asked if there was any additional information we could provide to assist their specs department... This was the incredibly lazy response I got
"Unfortunately we cannot authenticate or grade some foreign cards due to the fact we cannot read what the cards say. I apologize for the inconvenience".
This is mind boggling to me. They have an entire genre on the pop report called Japanese cards. I'm sure once bgs examples start surfacing psa will jump on the band wagon just like they did with the clay lampo cards. The lack of effort is the most frustrating part.
I found another small lot of these Yamakatsu cards including one of the 4 unknown ones up to this point; #4 Kantaro Hoshino & Kotetsu Yamamoto. I've included the scans of 4 more from this set: #4 - Hoshino/Yamamoto, #13-McGwire Brothers, #26-Johnny Powers and #35-Royal Kangaroos.
Thanks for the update. My sub at bgs was just logged on Friday... So I should get grades any day now. I'm really anxious to see how they are labeled. Thanks again for doing the research to get these approved for grading.
I just found images of the last of the cards for this set. Additions in Bold.
#1 Antonio Inoki and Seiji Sakaguchi #2 Bill White #3 Antonio Inoki #4 Seiji Sakaguchi and Kotetsu Yamamoto #5 Killer Karl Krupp #6 Kantaro Hoshino #7 Antonio Inoki vs Seiji Sakaguchi #8 Crazy Luke Graham #9 John Tolos #10 Antonio Inoki #11 Karl von Schotz & Kurt von Hess #12 Killer Karl Krupp #13 McGwire Brothers #14 Antonio Inoki vs Karl Gotch #15 Seiji Sakaguchi #16 Antonio Inoko vs Karl Gotch #17 Antonio Inoki #18 Victor Rivera #19 Antonio Inoki #20 Anaconda #21 McGwire Brothers #22 Kotetsu Yamamoto #23 Antonio Inoki vs Tiger Jeet Singh #24 Tiger Jeet Singh #25 Andre the Giant #26 Johnny Powers #27 Antonio Inoki #28 Tiger Jeet Singh #29 Andre the Giant #30 Antonio Inoki vs Tiger Jeet Singh #31 Antonio Inoki #32 Seiji Sakaguchi #33 Karl Gotch #34 Antonio Inoki #35 Royal Kangaroos #36 Karl Gotch #37 Antonio Inoki #38 Stan Stasiak #39 Seiji Sakaguchi #40 Antonio Inoki
BUYING Frank Gotch T229 Kopec Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
I'm not sure who Anaconda is. At first I thought it was a very early card of Jake "The Snake" Roberts, but it appears to be a less-known wrestler from the late 1960s/early 1970s. I wasn't able to dig anything up on Anaconda with some quick searching.
Thanks. I just emailed the info to bgs. A few of the ones that were slabbed by bgs are at psa now. Hopefully everything goes ok and they find their way into as slabs. I think that will really validate the set. The 74 set doesn't really seem to haves by notable names other thanks Andre the giant and inoki.... But the 76 set has a handful of hof rookie cards. I haven't came across any of the 76 cards but I would assume once psa starts grading the 74 set they would accept the 76 set too.
I hope they go through okay at PSA. Pretty exciting! Yes, the 76 set is the hot set for key rookies. The problem is its tough to find. I've only found a few images and a few albums. I've never seen any of them in person.
Here is an awesome pickup. Almost a complete unopened box of the 1974 Japanese Yamakatsu New Japan Pro Wrestling set....~50 packs. The winner cards are still sealed in the plastic bag and it came with all three albums. I opened one pack to make sure they are the real deal and the cards I got were in great shape...almost snow-white backs! How many mint Andre and Inoki rookie cards are still sealed in there??? The box is a little beat up though.
BUYING Frank Gotch T229 Kopec Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
Unreal find. What are the winner cards? I really think the Andre winner card would be one of the top wrestling cards of all time... Especially in mint condition. It would easily be a four figure card.
I did find out that cards come 2 per pack which is cool. I had just assumed 1 per pack.
These cards are staying sealed in their packs for a while, fortunately or unfortunately, depending on how you look at it.
The paper used on the packs is opaque so you can't see any of the cards which is good. No shenanigans although I wasn't really worried since it was a Japanese seller and I saw the cards from 5 packs he already opened.
Eagles, since the winner cards are sealed in packs and in turn sealed in the black plastic bag, I dont know which cards they are. Finding uncancelled winner cards in of itself is extremely hard from this era. Unopened material is about the only way to get any.
The 82 set might be the the 52 topps equivalent but this is the t206 equivalent. This and the 76 set are loaded with rookies. I really didn't think mint copies would surface. If cards of Scott hall from 1992 ate selling for a few hundred bucks then mint rookies from this set like Andre the giant are four figure cards all day long
<< <i>The 82 set might be the the 52 topps equivalent but this is the t206 equivalent. This and the 76 set are loaded with rookies. I really didn't think mint copies would surface. If cards of Scott hall from 1992 ate selling for a few hundred bucks then mint rookies from this set like Andre the giant are four figure cards all day long >>
Good comparison. What's going to hold these sets back is the low supply, unfortunately. I'm having a hard time even finding single cards for sale of the 1974 set and that is the more "common" one. The 1976 set is ridiculously nonexistent (I only have one card, #5) which is frustrating because there are a lot of rookie cards in that set. Even the Japanese dealers can't find any. If any of these ever come to auction in Japan, it will be a huge deal.
I do think that the limited supply will cause a lot of collectors to not even bother with them. I have SF Hess cards and many of them are Pop 1s but since no super collector could put together the set at all it hurts their value. There will not be registry competition if sets cannot be completed. Greats cards and I want some, only if I have a near set right away, otherwise I will not even bother......
BUYING Frank Gotch T229 Kopec Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
I agree that there wouldn't ever be much demand from the registry or set collectors.. But I think there definitely be significant interest for some of the star cards.
I'd definitely be ripping until I at least found one Andre!
BUYING Frank Gotch T229 Kopec Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
I remember seeing done Japanese magazines from the early 80s on eBay a while back with some disc cards. There was a flair one from 80 or 81. I didn't bother bidding because I wasn't really interested in the discs but they are kinda best. There was also a magazine from 82 that had legit cards similar to the 85 all star cards. That set had hogan in it the magazine sold for about 20 bucks and I'm really kicking myself for not scooping it up.
I was just reading through the thread and realized I never posted scans of the cards slabbed by psa. It's kinda interesting to see these cards go from oddball unknown cards to cards in psa slabs
I think it would be pretty easy since they have a checklist and cards have been graded. I've never started one though so not sure. I also don't know how competitive it would be since you are the only person the has a set that I know of haha
Cool, I'm planning on working through all that here in a few months.
Looks pretty easy. I just logged into PSA and it looks simple enough. I do need 5 graded cards from the set to make the request though. Should be no problem.
Even less of a problem if you sell me four of them! LOL
BUYING Frank Gotch T229 Kopec Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
Highest graded one to date....I like Karl Gotch as he has extensive amateur wrestling experience......
BUYING Frank Gotch T229 Kopec Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
Some seller got wind of all the Yamakatsu action here in the states and a bunch of cards have been coming up for auction in Japan now. A dealer in Japan is snatching them up and selling a few over here. The current 1974 #29 was an auction he won not too long ago. Another Andre will probably be be coming up. Nice to see all the action now over there.
Cool... Corners look pretty good but centering isn't very good. Not sure how psa would that. Would they just consider it oc or give the dreaded no grade miscut?
I think it could go either way depending on the grader if you look at the Gotch I got graded.
BUYING Frank Gotch T229 Kopec Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
<< <i>Here is an awesome pickup. Almost a complete unopened box of the 1974 Japanese Yamakatsu New Japan Pro Wrestling set....~50 packs. The winner cards are still sealed in the plastic bag and it came with all three albums. I opened one pack to make sure they are the real deal and the cards I got were in great shape...almost snow-white backs! How many mint Andre and Inoki rookie cards are still sealed in there??? The box is a little beat up though.
Sample pack I opened:
>>
Time for a group rip Sumo!
BUYING Frank Gotch T229 Kopec Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
<< <i>Someone asked me once about doing a group rip with the box. Maybe if I ever find another box someday. >>
I'll be in for a box, LOL.
BUYING Frank Gotch T229 Kopec Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
<< <i>Raw Andre cards seem to be taking off. Over $100 for a copy now in Japan. That auction went unsold at $35 earlier last month. >>
I sure hope so since I am sitting on all of my copies! They are just fun to collect, but if they go up I'll have no complaints.
BUYING Frank Gotch T229 Kopec Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
A real nice in action Andre sold raw for about 300 last week. I picked up the Inoki from the same seller. It looks like a solid 8 or better to me in the scan. I'll post when I get it
That is awesome! Yamakatsu Cards In Japan’s have dried up over the past 5 years. Not many coming to auction these days so likely not going to see many more 8s,9s,10s.
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"Unfortunately we cannot authenticate or grade some foreign cards due to the fact we cannot read what the cards say. I apologize for the inconvenience".
This is mind boggling to me. They have an entire genre on the pop report called Japanese cards. I'm sure once bgs examples start surfacing psa will jump on the band wagon just like they did with the clay lampo cards. The lack of effort is the most frustrating part.
#1 Antonio Inoki and Seiji Sakaguchi
#2 Bill White
#3 Antonio Inoki
#4 Seiji Sakaguchi and Kotetsu Yamamoto
#5 Killer Karl Krupp
#6 Kantaro Hoshino
#7 Antonio Inoki vs Seiji Sakaguchi
#8 Crazy Luke Graham
#9 John Tolos
#10 Antonio Inoki
#11 Karl von Schotz & Kurt von Hess
#12 Killer Karl Krupp
#13 McGwire Brothers
#14 Antonio Inoki vs Karl Gotch
#15 Seiji Sakaguchi
#16 Antonio Inoko vs Karl Gotch
#17 Antonio Inoki
#18 Victor Rivera
#19 Antonio Inoki
#20 Anaconda
#21 McGwire Brothers
#22 Kotetsu Yamamoto
#23 Antonio Inoki vs Tiger Jeet Singh
#24 Tiger Jeet Singh
#25 Andre the Giant
#26 Johnny Powers
#27 Antonio Inoki
#28 Tiger Jeet Singh
#29 Andre the Giant
#30 Antonio Inoki vs Tiger Jeet Singh
#31 Antonio Inoki
#32 Seiji Sakaguchi
#33 Karl Gotch
#34 Antonio Inoki
#35 Royal Kangaroos
#36 Karl Gotch
#37 Antonio Inoki
#38 Stan Stasiak
#39 Seiji Sakaguchi
#40 Antonio Inoki
Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
#8
#12
#20
I'm not sure who Anaconda is. At first I thought it was a very early card of Jake "The Snake" Roberts, but it appears to be a less-known wrestler from the late 1960s/early 1970s. I wasn't able to dig anything up on Anaconda with some quick searching.
Sample pack I opened:
Nice find for sure!
Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
These cards are staying sealed in their packs for a while, fortunately or unfortunately, depending on how you look at it.
The paper used on the packs is opaque so you can't see any of the cards which is good. No shenanigans although I wasn't really worried since it was a Japanese seller and I saw the cards from 5 packs he already opened.
Eagles, since the winner cards are sealed in packs and in turn sealed in the black plastic bag, I dont know which cards they are. Finding uncancelled winner cards in of itself is extremely hard from this era. Unopened material is about the only way to get any.
<< <i>The 82 set might be the the 52 topps equivalent but this is the t206 equivalent. This and the 76 set are loaded with rookies. I really didn't think mint copies would surface. If cards of Scott hall from 1992 ate selling for a few hundred bucks then mint rookies from this set like Andre the giant are four figure cards all day long >>
Good comparison. What's going to hold these sets back is the low supply, unfortunately. I'm having a hard time even finding single cards for sale of the 1974 set and that is the more "common" one. The 1976 set is ridiculously nonexistent (I only have one card, #5) which is frustrating because there are a lot of rookie cards in that set. Even the Japanese dealers can't find any. If any of these ever come to auction in Japan, it will be a huge deal.
Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
It is a disk and is very big and is a tremendous item to get signed.
# 29 Andre The Giant psa 5
Antonio Inoki psa 6.5
#25 Andre the Giant psa 6
Looks pretty easy. I just logged into PSA and it looks simple enough. I do need 5 graded cards from the set to make the request though. Should be no problem.
Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
This is the one that just sold today for Y6750 and was bought by the same guy selling the one that is currently on eBay:
This one ends next week and is currently up for auction:
Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
<< <i>Here is an awesome pickup. Almost a complete unopened box of the 1974 Japanese Yamakatsu New Japan Pro Wrestling set....~50 packs. The winner cards are still sealed in the plastic bag and it came with all three albums. I opened one pack to make sure they are the real deal and the cards I got were in great shape...almost snow-white backs! How many mint Andre and Inoki rookie cards are still sealed in there??? The box is a little beat up though.
Sample pack I opened:
Time for a group rip Sumo!
Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
<< <i>Someone asked me once about doing a group rip with the box. Maybe if I ever find another box someday. >>
I'll be in for a box, LOL.
Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
<< <i>Raw Andre cards seem to be taking off. Over $100 for a copy now in Japan. That auction went unsold at $35 earlier last month. >>
I sure hope so since I am sitting on all of my copies! They are just fun to collect, but if they go up I'll have no complaints.
Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
I was wondering if this card would surface. Looks like it was listed as an auction and then turned into a BIN.
Can't tell the price but nice to see Greg got it for his amazing Andre set.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1974-Yamakatsu-New-Japan-Pro-Wrestling-29-Andre-The-Giant-RC-PSA-9-Mint-Pop-2-/362689523578?_trksid=p2047675.m43663.l10137&nordt=true&rt=nc&orig_cvip=true
That is awesome! Yamakatsu Cards In Japan’s have dried up over the past 5 years. Not many coming to auction these days so likely not going to see many more 8s,9s,10s.