Grade Opinion - 1825 Bust Dime (Update 9/19)
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I haven't found many Bust Dimes for my set lately, but I took a chance on this one as it could be a big upgrade from my current example (VG-8).
I have edited the sellers pics for your convenience.
I have my own thoughts on this piece, but I thought it would be cool to share it with y'all now before I can take better pics of it in September when I return back to the U.S.
***UPDATE 9/19***
My Updated Pics
My thoughts: the coin came out fairly decently. No hairlines, no distracting marks other than the splotchy toning.
I think this piece has a legitimate chance for grading by our hosts, and I may submit it later this year.
As for grade, I think AU-50 would be appropriate IMO.
Your thoughts
Sellers Pics
I have edited the sellers pics for your convenience.
I have my own thoughts on this piece, but I thought it would be cool to share it with y'all now before I can take better pics of it in September when I return back to the U.S.
***UPDATE 9/19***
My Updated Pics
My thoughts: the coin came out fairly decently. No hairlines, no distracting marks other than the splotchy toning.
I think this piece has a legitimate chance for grading by our hosts, and I may submit it later this year.
As for grade, I think AU-50 would be appropriate IMO.
Your thoughts
Sellers Pics
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Comments
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Au details. The lack of luster points toward a cleaning and the reverse spots may or may not be etched into the coin.
Different pictures could change my mind completely.
Still not a piece of rubbish. AU cleaned.
Jim
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<< <i>Looks like an AU58 details cleaned JR4, nice coin. I dont know if this is it but Im going to ask anyway because if anyone can find them its Stone. Was this the coin called MS60 in the 1982 Stack's sale? >>
I don't have that Stacks catalogue [on me], but Realone may because of all the Pedigree research he does with his Busties.
As for your grade, I think that it is MIGHTY generous, but I shall find out soon what it really looks like in-hand.
I like it.
<< <i>C'mon guys, a coin nearly 200 years old with this kind of detail. Most certainly it has been cleaned at some time and unfortunately, probably not too long ago.
Still not a piece of rubbish. AU cleaned.
Jim >>
Being 200 years old does not let it off the hook for being cleaned with environmental damage. That's why you pay the big bucks for pieces that are nice without those problems, and it's why you maintain the grading standards so that that the nice can coins be properly described for sale.
The coin has the sharpness of an AU, but the luster is gone from the cleaning, the former heavy tarnish or a combination of both. The net grade would fall in the Vf-35 to EF-40 range. Collector tastes would dictate if you want more detail with problems or a bit less detail without problems. I think this would go into a "genuine" holder.
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<< <i>C'mon guys, a coin nearly 200 years old with this kind of detail. Most certainly it has been cleaned at some time and unfortunately, probably not too long ago.
Still not a piece of rubbish. AU cleaned.
Jim >>
Being 200 years old does not let it off the hook for being cleaned with environmental damage. That's why you pay the big bucks for pieces that are nice without those problems, and it's why you maintain the grading standards so that that the nice can coins be properly described for sale.
The coin has the sharpness of an AU, but the luster is gone from the cleaning, the former heavy tarnish or a combination of both. The net grade would fall in the Vf-35 to EF-40 range. Collector tastes would dictate if you want more detail with problems or a bit less detail without problems. I think this would go into a "genuine" holder. >>
This is my interpretation of the coin in question. I felt the coin was at least strong EF details, but the surfaces are questionable for originality from the sellers (and my tweaked) pics.
I fully expect there could be hairlines from a cleaning, despite their presence not immediately discernable from the images; although the coin does have many hallmarks which lend
the expectation that the coin was cleaned or at least wiped to remove the reverse tarnish. I doubt it will slab as well, but I may attempt such if the coin arrives in reasonable shape.
For now, this will just upgrade my JR-4 in VG-8. I will update this thread later with my new pics.
dipped/cleaned...probably
but does it affect your liking?
truly all that matters here...
<< <i>I am going to go with XF details, cleaned. >>
Your thoughts, suggestions?