Silver Rider (Ducaton) 1767
ednar
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Can someone please advice me about this coin? I try to look in the Krause, but do not seem to find information about it.
Thank you.
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Silver rider province of Holland 1767 (Republic of the Netherlands)
regards, Andres
Thank you for the site, it gave a rough idea about the coin.
I am looking for the Krause number, I do know it is KM#90 - but not sure of the variety.
One more question, by the rough look, what quality would u give?
Thanks again.
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triple weight = 100 grams , various weights struck in Gold, but this looks like a standard weight coin of 32,5 grams.
I would grade it as Very Fine.
I use a (new) special catalogue for dutch provincial coins: Catalogus van de Nederlandse Munten (1555-1805) by Tom Passon
catalog Passon
regards, Andre
The weight was around 32g.
Unfortunately from the link you gave me, the catalogue was written in language other than English or Spanish, seems a little bit problem for me.
If it is not too much to ask, do you mind to scan a particular page related to his particular coin and share it? Would really appreciate that.
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the general catalog number is Passon 2.18.66 , the varietes in gold & double /triple weight are given with the older catalog numbers of : Verkade, KM and Delmonte, at the end of the list.
since your coin is a standard coin of 32 gram, its in the general list under 1767 marketprices in Euro's are: 75 (Very Good) - 150 (Fine) - 300 (Very Fine) - 550 (Extra Fine)
Here you go:
I actually over-paid ;-) But that is alright, since this one seems to me rather beautiful and not that I am going to sell it anytime soon.
But, I wonder what does Piedfort mean and the mint location. Any sign to identify?
Thanks again Andres.
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these special coins are not bigger in diameter, but made thicker, hard to see in a picture.
price indication: 2000 euros for a Piedfort
How much did you pay for your coin ? Very Fine is about $ 400 in US money
these prices are in Euros ! and market conform, not fancy high catalog prices. Next year a new issue of this catalog is planned, with much higher prices in general.
mintplace is Dordrecht (rose) and shield (right after HOL) in general, although in some cases coins were minted in Amsterdam = shield with 3 XXX vertical (rare)
heres the bottum half of the page, at the , right catalog number 2.18.67 is a rider struck in 22K Gold weight 42 gram - marketprice is 15.000 euro in XF
These things truly signify to me the wealth of the Dutch Republic in the golden age. They were not cheap to strike (this one is at the weight of 10 gold ducats, so about an ounce of gold).
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Thank you for the explanation.
I bought the piece in 2008 and I had paid US$220 since I thought I might not find this beautiful piece again (regret of omission).
Hello Dennis,
That gold Ducaton is absolutely pretty. Wish I can afford that! LOL
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I have updated the coin information into my collection, which you can check here.
I am not sure what else to add.
Perhaps, who was the king/ruler at that time?
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his official function was "" Stadtholder"" .
after Willem the fifth , fled to England , Napoleon Bonaparte introduced the first King in the Netherlands, his younger brother Lodewijk Napoleon,
because Lodewijk did a good job as King, the Netherlands became a Kingdom in 1813 after the defeat of Napoleon.
picture of Willem V & family:
I cant be sure of that, but your theory was quite interesting. I put the note in coin details.
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Hello Andres,
Thank you for the information, it has been really helpful and I have updated the information according, I hope the information will soon appear on the website so other people who are looking for that particular coin information will benefit from that as well.
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I keep the photo and uploaded it with my content, if u dont mind.
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I checked your site,
The mottos read from the top of the coin to the right .
MO.NO. ARG. CON . FOE. BELG. PRO: HOL. = new silver money of the united states of the Netherlands issued (by the province of): Holland
back: CONCORDIA RES PARVA CRESSUNT (one word) it means more or less the same as the american motto: E PLURIBUS UNUM
going rate of a dutch silver ducaton = 63 Stivers = 3 Guilders and 15 cents
average diameter 43 mm
By the way, I do have 2 Stivers, which I will need to ask some information if you dont mind. I will find the photo of that coins soon..
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I have just posted 3 new topics.
Need your expertise and knowledge, if you dont mind.
Two are made of tin, which i still cannot find any information about it. VOC
The other one, perhaps you can share its catalog details... Thanks
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