Silver Rider (Ducaton) 1767

ednar · June 23, 2012 12:43AM

Can someone please advice me about this coin? I try to look in the Krause, but do not seem to find information about it.

Thank you.

ednar · June 23, 2012 12:44AM

what i meant was about the correct variety.

CIVITAS · June 23, 2012 2:33AM

If it weighs roughly an ounce, it should be under Netherlands: Holland: Ducaton

Andres · June 23, 2012 9:34AM

Hope this helps:

Silver rider province of Holland 1767 (Republic of the Netherlands)

regards, Andres

ednar · June 24, 2012 6:57PM

Hello Andres,

Thank you for the site, it gave a rough idea about the coin.

I am looking for the Krause number, I do know it is KM#90 - but not sure of the variety.

One more question, by the rough look, what quality would u give?

Thanks again.

Andres · June 24, 2012 9:31PM

Yes, thats right, ednar - KM 90 (all standard riders struck between 1734-1793) , this is a standard coin so its KM 90 - 1767, varieties are mentioned like Piedforts (double weight) = 65 grams ,
triple weight = 100 grams , various weights struck in Gold, but this looks like a standard weight coin of 32,5 grams.

I would grade it as Very Fine.

I use a (new) special catalogue for dutch provincial coins: Catalogus van de Nederlandse Munten (1555-1805) by Tom Passon

catalog Passon

regards, Andre

ednar · June 29, 2012 7:40AM

Hello Andres,

The weight was around 32g.

Unfortunately from the link you gave me, the catalogue was written in language other than English or Spanish, seems a little bit problem for me.

If it is not too much to ask, do you mind to scan a particular page related to his particular coin and share it? Would really appreciate that.

Thank you.

Andres · June 29, 2012 10:56AM

Yes, its a dutch catalog about dutch coins, written in dutch

the general catalog number is Passon 2.18.66 , the varietes in gold & double /triple weight are given with the older catalog numbers of : Verkade, KM and Delmonte, at the end of the list.

since your coin is a standard coin of 32 gram, its in the general list under 1767 marketprices in Euro's are: 75 (Very Good) - 150 (Fine) - 300 (Very Fine) - 550 (Extra Fine)

Here you go:

ednar · June 29, 2012 7:36PM

You are very most helpful, I definitely have saved the file for future reference.

I actually over-paid ;-) But that is alright, since this one seems to me rather beautiful and not that I am going to sell it anytime soon.

But, I wonder what does Piedfort mean and the mint location. Any sign to identify?

Thanks again Andres.

Ed

Andres · June 29, 2012 9:05PM

I already mentioned Piedfort in my earlier message = a silver coin made in double weight = 65 gram - Triple = a coin made in triple weight = 100 gram
these special coins are not bigger in diameter, but made thicker, hard to see in a picture.
price indication: 2000 euros for a Piedfort

How much did you pay for your coin ? Very Fine is about $ 400 in US money
these prices are in Euros ! and market conform, not fancy high catalog prices. Next year a new issue of this catalog is planned, with much higher prices in general.

mintplace is Dordrecht (rose) and shield (right after HOL) in general, although in some cases coins were minted in Amsterdam = shield with 3 XXX vertical (rare)

heres the bottum half of the page, at the , right catalog number 2.18.67 is a rider struck in 22K Gold weight 42 gram - marketprice is 15.000 euro in XF

Dennis88 · June 30, 2012 2:48AM

From Jean Elsen's auction 109, June 2011. Ducaton Holland 1687 struck in gold. Sold for EUR 22000 (Approximately $29,000 at the time)

These things truly signify to me the wealth of the Dutch Republic in the golden age. They were not cheap to strike (this one is at the weight of 10 gold ducats, so about an ounce of gold).

ednar · June 30, 2012 9:44AM

Hello Andres,

Thank you for the explanation.

I bought the piece in 2008 and I had paid US$220 since I thought I might not find this beautiful piece again (regret of omission).

Hello Dennis,

That gold Ducaton is absolutely pretty. Wish I can afford that! LOL

ednar · July 10, 2012 2:57AM

Hello Andres,

I have updated the coin information into my collection, which you can check here.

I am not sure what else to add.

Perhaps, who was the king/ruler at that time?

http://www.exonumi.com/?page=publish&id=1.123.CN.3b1cf

lordmarcovan · July 10, 2012 3:01AM

Is that old graffiti on the "rider" side? Interesting.

Andres · July 10, 2012 7:00PM

At that time the Netherlands were still a Republic, more or less in charge was Prince Willem V - Oranje Nassau ( 1748-1806)
his official function was "" Stadtholder"" .

after Willem the fifth , fled to England , Napoleon Bonaparte introduced the first King in the Netherlands, his younger brother Lodewijk Napoleon,
because Lodewijk did a good job as King, the Netherlands became a Kingdom in 1813 after the defeat of Napoleon.

picture of Willem V & family:

ednar · July 10, 2012 9:25PM

Hello lordmarcovan,

I cant be sure of that, but your theory was quite interesting. I put the note in coin details.

http://www.exonumi.com/?page=publish&id=1.123.CN.3b1cf

Hello Andres,

Thank you for the information, it has been really helpful and I have updated the information according, I hope the information will soon appear on the website so other people who are looking for that particular coin information will benefit from that as well.

ednar · July 11, 2012 3:14AM

Andres,

I keep the photo and uploaded it with my content, if u dont mind.

Andres · July 11, 2012 8:15AM

No, I dont mind, ednar

I checked your site,

The mottos read from the top of the coin to the right .

MO.NO. ARG. CON . FOE. BELG. PRO: HOL. = new silver money of the united states of the Netherlands issued (by the province of): Holland

back: CONCORDIA RES PARVA CRESSUNT (one word) it means more or less the same as the american motto: E PLURIBUS UNUM

going rate of a dutch silver ducaton = 63 Stivers = 3 Guilders and 15 cents

average diameter 43 mm

ednar · July 11, 2012 7:14PM

Thank you soooo much, I have updated my coin information accordingly. I have the coin since 2008 and cant figure out what it was really... Only after 4 years and met you here, I learnt about the coin. Once again, THANK YOU!!!

By the way, I do have 2 Stivers, which I will need to ask some information if you dont mind. I will find the photo of that coins soon..

ednar · July 12, 2012 6:57AM

Hello Andres,

I have just posted 3 new topics.

Need your expertise and knowledge, if you dont mind.

Two are made of tin, which i still cannot find any information about it. VOC

The other one, perhaps you can share its catalog details... Thanks

Silver Rider (Ducaton) 1767

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