Any 73 Topps experts? re: coaches variations

CDsNuts

I picked up the following #237 Eddie Mathews/Braves Coaches. My understanding is that this is a Brown background with Burdette's ear showing. I can't seem to find it in any past sales. I know both variations (brown & ear) are semi-tough independently, but I can't seem to find any info on both variations on the same card. Any help with info or value is appreciated.

Lee


(below is a raw orange background w/o ear for comparison)

Probstein123

the brown background in a psa 8 is worth around $50 bucks and the orange background in a psa 8 is worth around $18 bucks

parkerj

Lee, I will check my master set when i get home. I'm not sure i understand your question, are you asking if there are 3 variations or just the two? I can't remember if i found all 3 or if there are just two, but i know i finished a master set, so if there are three, i have them.

I know that most mgr cards have 2 var's, and the dick williams does for sure have 3 variations.

- jim

CDsNuts

Lee, I will check my master set when i get home. I'm not sure i understand your question, are you asking if there are 3 variations or just the two? I can't remember if i found all 3 or if there are just two, but i know i finished a master set, so if there are three, i have them. I know that most mgr cards have 2 var's, and the dick williams does for sure have 3 variations. - jim

I'm actually thinking there might be 4 variations: Orange background with ear, orange bg w/o ear, brown bg w/ear, brown bg w/o ear. It doesn't help that PSA doesn't distinguish the backgrounds in the pop report, and Beckett and VCP don't distinguish the ear variations.

Dboneesq

Lee ... in Donovan's Baseball Card Variation booklet he lists three variations:
A - Orange solid background, Busby with right ear.
B - Brown solid background.
C - Orange solid background, Busby without right ear.

Hope that helps.

Bosox1976

Interesting stuff.

Burdette or Busby (or both)? Anybody have the other two? A new variation discovery would be great... see them all...

hammered

I think you have the orange with ear variation. It is strange that PSA only lists two variations, but either of the with-ear versions are rare especially in high grade. And Doug, I believe burdette not busby, is the only manager who is missing an ear at times.

bishop

I too would like to see an orange with ear ( Burdette) and any Busby differences. I have only the orange without and brown with ( Burdette)

scotgreb

I've been looking for the van Gogh with ear variation for quite a while -- can't seen to find that one

parkerj

I believe that the variation is only on burdette. I base this on this chronology:

the browns came out first.
Topps realized they looked washed out and some of the backgrounds obscured the coaches.

So then the orange (i have seen pink too but its probably a printing variation of ink).

but when the masked out the backgorund for the orange, they inadvertently masked off burdette's ear.

so then a third version was released that fixed / restored the ear to its rightful place.

parkerj

here is a nice link on this from net54. link

just to clarify the revC with ear on dick williams does look more pink than orange as shown in that thread.

- jim

CDsNuts

I believe that the variation is only on burdette. I base this on this chronology:

the browns came out first.
Topps realized they looked washed out and some of the backgrounds obscured the coaches.

So then the orange (i have seen pink too but its probably a printing variation of ink).

but when the masked out the backgorund for the orange, they inadvertently masked off burdette's ear.

so then a third version was released that fixed / restored the ear to its rightful place.



That makes sense. For some reason I seem to recall seeing a brown without ear version but that could just be a figment of my imagination.

hammered- my PSA 8 is clearly the brown version. Look at the scan vs. the orange one underneath. That is one scan with both cards, not two separate scans.

hammered

Well here's my copy, which I always thought to be the brown version, so if mine is brown then yours must be too.
In hand, it looks a little orange. Not as light orange as the w/o ear version, but still sort of orange.
I'm wondering if separate brown/orange versions of with-ears do not exist, since the brown versions look very orange, to me anyway.

WalterSobchak

None of the four variations of this card are truly rare anyway. If you offered me PSA 10 copies of all of them for my PSA 1 1917 Amalgamated Chocolates green-border Heinie Zimmerman (Dugout in Background), I would laugh in your face.

MrG

Response in PSA Set Registry Forum

bishop

Jim---I knew about and have the 3 versions of the Williams ( Bob Lemke's article appeared in SCD), but I still have not seen the 3d Mathews ( orange, or pink, with the ear). If someone has one can they post it

Never mind, I see Mike did in the other thread

hammered

<< <i>Response in PSA Set Registry Forum >>




Thanks, that does clear it up. And your post is the first example of the orange with ear variation - thanks

Dboneesq

<< <i>And Doug, I believe burdette not busby, is the only manager who is missing an ear at times. >>


Looks like you are correct. I didn't look at the card, I just copied the wording from Donovan's Booklet. He obviously listed the incorrect coach in his publication.

mrpeanut39

<< <i>None of the four variations of this card are truly rare anyway. If you offered me PSA 10 copies of all of them for my PSA 1 1917 Amalgamated Chocolates green-border Heinie Zimmerman (Dugout in Background), I would laugh in your face. >>



I see what you've done here Walter and I applaud you.

parkerj

just to clarify, i checked and i have two - orange with ear and orange without ear. dang - now i gotta find a brown one.

the dick williams with ear is indeed pink. there is an orange without ear, and a brown.

By the way, i agree the orange with ear, does have in the upper two coaches, some brown "shadows" but its definitely not the brown one.

CDsNuts

the brown background in a psa 8 is worth around $50 bucks


I beg to differ.

Bosox1976

Atta pep.

MrG

I believe you will find that the pricing for most of the variations will be very inconsistent depending on whether the flip is correct or not. I have purchased a number of incorrectly labeled variations at a very low price only because the flips were incorrect.

As an example, I bought from 4SC on 11/06/07 #237 PSA 8 Brown BG card labeled as Burdette No Right Ear for $9.99:


It is clearly a Brown BG, and incorrectly labeled. Back in 2007 the 1973 set did not have near the interest that it has today, so many more people would catch this now than before.

I must add that this card is sitting in a pile of incorrect flips, cracked cases, and crossovers that will someday travel to Newport Beach, and hopefully they will not come back again incorrectly labeled.

Michael

parkerj

Folks, I do now have all three variations.....here they are all in one place preserved for posterity for future inquisitive minds....

1. Orange (no ear)
2. Orange (with ear)
3. Brown (with ear)...all browns always have the ear.