somebody else short-selling my stuff on ebay??

BasherBoy · June 12, 2012 7:33PM

Noticed something interesting tonight when I did a search on ebay for 1960 Topps. I found MY extra cards listed on ebay by another seller. I usually throw my extras in my Unisquare store since it's free to list.

1960 Topps #198 Jerry Lynch Cincinnati Reds PSA NM+ 7.5 (my listing)

His ebay listing of the same card

I just thought I'd get opinions from some other members about this. Not sure what to do about it, if anything.

zep33 · June 12, 2012 7:56PM

WOW, Next time one of yours sells check to see if it had just sold on Ebay too. If it did, tell your buyer you lost the card

DCanfield · June 12, 2012 7:57PM

First thought is that he's fishing for a bid and if he gets one he'll be buying your card. Not quite ethical! He's probably counting on no one checking the unisquare auction. Maybe you should throw a bid on the ebay auction and at the same time pull down your card. That might be interesting.

nam812 · June 12, 2012 8:10PM

I would have some fun with it by ending your Unisquare listing, and then putting in a bid on "his" card.

bobbyw8469 · June 12, 2012 8:13PM

WOW!! He is a top-rated seller too! Not quite "top-rate" in my book!

mknez · June 12, 2012 8:30PM

ask for a scan of the back.

alifaxwa2 · June 12, 2012 8:38PM

I don't have a problem with this. He is assuming alot of risk, but I don't see what's unethical about it. If he thinks he can make money by helping you sell your stuff, whats wrong with that?

yankeeno7 · June 12, 2012 9:05PM

Change your unisquare price to 69.00

Garabaldi · June 12, 2012 9:08PM

<< I don't have a problem with this. He is assuming alot of risk, but I don't see what's unethical about it. If he thinks he can make money by helping you sell your stuff, whats wrong with that? >>

It might not be unethical, but he is selling something that he does not own.

gumbyfan · June 12, 2012 9:09PM

It looks like half of your feedback on unisquare is from this eBay seller. I wouldn't begrudge his ability to make a few bucks if it means selling your cards for the price you're asking. All the risk is on him with this business model.

gameusedhoop · June 12, 2012 9:09PM

Not an issue for me if I had the card. As mentioned above he is assuming all the risk. If it is bought, his customer won't be too happy especially if you don't ship it out very fast. I would probably have some fun with it and him. Snipe his auction at the last second, and pull yours down just before his ends. It'll be funny to see what happens. I for one will never bid on any of "his" items knowing this.

Added: at the end of the listing it states we ship every item ships in 24-48 hours of receiving payment. I'd like to see this happen here!

gumbyfan · June 12, 2012 9:19PM

<< Not an issue for me if I had the card. As mentioned above he is assuming all the risk. If it is bought, his customer won't be too happy especially if you don't ship it out very fast. I would probably have some fun with it and him. Snipe his auction at the last second, and pull yours down just before his ends. It'll be funny to see what happens. I for one will never bid on any of "his" items knowing this.

Added: at the end of the listing it states we ship every item ships in 24-48 hours of receiving payment. I'd like to see this happen here!

>>

If I were the eBay seller, I would just give BasherBoy the buyer's mailing information to ship to.

WalterSobchak · June 12, 2012 9:37PM

It sure doesn't seem like the EBay seller stands to make enough money to justify this risk.

gameusedhoop · June 12, 2012 10:01PM

<< If I were the eBay seller, I would just give BasherBoy the buyer's mailing information to ship to >>

If the buyer uses Paypal, then Basher Boy would be sending to the confirmed Paypal address, why would he risk sending somewhere else? If the buyer used a check or MO then the shipping will really take awhile.

bking · June 12, 2012 10:23PM

<< WOW, Next time one of yours sells check to see if it had just sold on Ebay too. If it did, tell your buyer you lost the card

>>

Pull you unisquare listing, then bid on his Ebay listing; see how he squirms outta that...

wrestlingcardking · June 12, 2012 10:26PM

Is it possible that he just stoled the scan?

WinPitcher · June 13, 2012 6:08AM

Raise your price to 16.99

nam812 · June 13, 2012 6:24AM

<< Pull you unisquare listing, then bid on his Ebay listing; see how he squirms outta that... >>

Get you own idea bub.

bigdcards · June 13, 2012 6:28AM

<< Is it possible that he just stoled the scan? >>

+1 for most likely answer. Although the drama is more fun.

gumbyfan · June 13, 2012 7:16AM

<< 

<< Is it possible that he just stoled the scan? >>

+1 for most likely answer. Although the drama is more fun. >>

Considering the fact that the ebay seller has given BasherBoy half of his positive feedback at unisquare, I'm guessing he's shorting the cards.

lahmejoon · June 13, 2012 7:35AM

<< ask for a scan of the back. >>

+1 LOL!

bigdcards · June 13, 2012 8:15AM

Well here's a scan he stole from dsl. Link

Of course the scan is of a PSA 8 and his listing is for a PSA 5. On an unrelated side note, basherboy has a PSA 5 for sale here. Link

swartz1 · June 13, 2012 8:48AM

happens all the time...

at least the name was blacked out here...

Link

BasherBoy · June 14, 2012 12:32AM

Did one of you ask him for a scan of the back? I received a msg on unisquare this morning requesting a back scan on the Lynch

DerekD · June 14, 2012 12:44AM

<< Did one of you ask him for a scan of the back? I received a msg on unisquare this morning requesting a back scan on the Lynch

>>

That's awesome! Send him a scan of the back with a watermark on it that says "Card on Unisquare".

sportscardtheory · June 14, 2012 1:03AM

<< Did one of you ask him for a scan of the back? I received a msg on unisquare this morning requesting a back scan on the Lynch

>>

Now THAT is freaking hilarious.

mlbfan2 · June 14, 2012 1:36AM

It would be funny if you raise your price to $25, and then have someone here buy "his card" for $21.79. Would he then buy yours for $25 just to please his customer and avoid a possible neg?

sportscardtheory · June 14, 2012 2:35AM

This kinda reminds me of when someone stole one of my roommate's eBay scans. eBay basically will do nothing about stolen scans anymore, so he took matters into his own hands. The guy used the actual photobucket link in his listing description, so my roommate switched out the original scan with a photo of a giant erect penis he got online. It worked.

bking · June 14, 2012 2:45AM

<< This kinda reminds me of when someone stole one of my roommate's eBay scans. eBay basically will do nothing about stolen scans anymore, so he took matters into his own hands. The guy used the actual photobucket link in his listing description, so my roommate switched out the original scan with a photo of a giant erect penis he got online. It worked. >>

Wait wha???? Did he get the picture online or the penis???

</ funWithGrammar>

sportscardtheory · June 14, 2012 4:17AM

<< 

<< This kinda reminds me of when someone stole one of my roommate's eBay scans. eBay basically will do nothing about stolen scans anymore, so he took matters into his own hands. The guy used the actual photobucket link in his listing description, so my roommate switched out the original scan with a photo of a giant erect penis he got online. It worked. >>

Wait wha???? Did he get the picture online or the penis???

</ funWithGrammar> >>

Yeah, the guy who stole his scan had a picture of an erect penis on his listing until he eventually saw it and removed it from his description.

KbKards · June 14, 2012 4:20AM

Thereby your quest for Wanger was complete.

jmmiller777 · June 14, 2012 6:12AM

Nothing is sacred or off limits anymore...

lahmejoon · June 14, 2012 7:16AM

<< This kinda reminds me of when someone stole one of my roommate's eBay scans. eBay basically will do nothing about stolen scans anymore, so he took matters into his own hands. The guy used the actual photobucket link in his listing description, so my roommate switched out the original scan with a photo of a giant erect penis he got online. It worked. >>

Man, that was awesome. I needed a good laugh today.

mtcards · June 15, 2012 2:24AM

I see it as free publicity for your card. Your getting the amount you want and avoiding ebay fees, but getting ebay exposure in a round-a-bout way.

I wouldnt be surprised to see this begin a little more frequently as sellers of better cards start listing on other sites to avoid ebay's hassle and nonsense. The way I see it, if someone wants to buy my card, then sell it for more, it is their risk, not mine. In this case, the only difference is, he is listing your card before he sells it. Either way as long as you get your money, I see only benefits for the card owner

EchoCanyon · June 15, 2012 3:10AM

Some here could make 100% on their investment. Buy the card for $12. And we know it was sell for around $25 or more!

thunderdan · June 15, 2012 3:38AM

<< 

<< I don't have a problem with this. He is assuming alot of risk, but I don't see what's unethical about it. If he thinks he can make money by helping you sell your stuff, whats wrong with that? >>

It might not be unethical, but he is selling something that he does not own. >>

This happens all the time in legitimate businesses. While not exactly the same thing, the technique of drop shipping happens all the time on the internet. You purchase something from the company and the company does not own the inventory. Instead, and order is sent to the dropshipper who fulfills the order to the customer.

The risk to this guy's model or a drop ship model is poor customer experience. If he sells the card and then cannot purchase from his source, the customer is pissed, but as long as there is a refund, there's nothing unethical about it. The same risk remains in a drop shipping arrangement; customer orders, order passes to drop shipper, and the item is out of stock or no longer carried at which point a refund is granted.

bking · June 15, 2012 3:41AM

<< 

<< 

<< I don't have a problem with this. He is assuming alot of risk, but I don't see what's unethical about it. If he thinks he can make money by helping you sell your stuff, whats wrong with that? >>

It might not be unethical, but he is selling something that he does not own. >>

This happens all the time in legitimate businesses. While not exactly the same thing, the technique of drop shipping happens all the time on the internet. You purchase something from the company and the company does not own the inventory. Instead, and order is sent to the dropshipper who fulfills the order to the customer.

The risk to this guy's model or a drop ship model is poor customer experience. If he sells the card and then cannot purchase from his source, the customer is pissed, but as long as there is a refund, there's nothing unethical about it. The same risk remains in a drop shipping arrangement; customer orders, order passes to drop shipper, and the item is out of stock or no longer carried at which point a refund is granted. >>

Don't most drop shipping arrangements exist with an agreement in place between the seller and the drop shipper?

BasherBoy · June 15, 2012 4:03AM

I don't mind I guess if the end result is my card sells. It would just be nice to be asked about this arrangement as the supplier!

KbKards · June 15, 2012 4:04AM

The problem is that many buyers look many places for cards. When they notice the same exact serial number card is available in several places offered by different sellers then it hurts the real owner and seller of the card. The potential buyer knows that at least one listing is a scam and won't bother wasting time figuring out which one is real. That's why you'll often see certs blocked out or no scans in cases "where they ain't" got the cards. For better cards it also distorts the apparent supply because it appears there's more out there for sale than really are.

CopperJJ · June 15, 2012 5:47AM

WOW. Thanks for posting. Good Luck.

thunderdan · June 15, 2012 5:57AM

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<< I don't have a problem with this. He is assuming alot of risk, but I don't see what's unethical about it. If he thinks he can make money by helping you sell your stuff, whats wrong with that? >>

It might not be unethical, but he is selling something that he does not own. >>

This happens all the time in legitimate businesses. While not exactly the same thing, the technique of drop shipping happens all the time on the internet. You purchase something from the company and the company does not own the inventory. Instead, and order is sent to the dropshipper who fulfills the order to the customer.

The risk to this guy's model or a drop ship model is poor customer experience. If he sells the card and then cannot purchase from his source, the customer is pissed, but as long as there is a refund, there's nothing unethical about it. The same risk remains in a drop shipping arrangement; customer orders, order passes to drop shipper, and the item is out of stock or no longer carried at which point a refund is granted. >>

Don't most drop shipping arrangements exist with an agreement in place between the seller and the drop shipper? >>

They is usually an agreement with fees and fulfillment SLAs, for example, carefully detailed. Obviously in this instance there is no agreement, but in my opinion it still doesn't rise to the level of being unethical.

BasherBoy · June 15, 2012 5:57AM

I don't know if it's due to this thread, but I've had a couple sales out of my Unisquare store since I posted this...If so, thanks for the purchases

thunderdan · June 15, 2012 6:03AM

<< The problem is that many buyers look many places for cards. When they notice the same exact serial number card is available in several places offered by different sellers then it hurts the real owner and seller of the card. The potential buyer knows that at least one listing is a scam and won't bother wasting time figuring out which one is real. That's why you'll often see certs blocked out or no scans in cases "where they ain't" got the cards. For better cards it also distorts the apparent supply because it appears there's more out there for sale than really are. >>

I agree in concept; however, since the traffic between eBay and Unisquare doesn't even remotely compare, I think it's safe to say that there aren't a lot of card buyers looking both places. Are there some from this forum that search both places? Maybe (I'm not one of them), but even if that were true, I don't believe this small community is representative of the card collecting community at large.

BasherBoy · June 15, 2012 6:13AM

I know the traffic is pretty limited on Unisquare so far. I've had several items that sat there lower than ebay BIN's but then when I list them to ebay (with prices marked up a bit for fees) they sell the first hour. I'm not going to worry too much about it as long as he/she doesn't start listing my entire inventory on ebay. Also next batch of free listings there will be a problem if I go to list something and he already has it out there.

zep33 · June 15, 2012 6:32AM

<< I know the traffic is pretty limited on Unisquare so far. I've had several items that sat there lower than ebay BIN's but then when I list them to ebay (with prices marked up a bit for fees) they sell the first hour. I'm not going to worry too much about it as long as he/she doesn't start listing my entire inventory on ebay. Also next batch of free listings there will be a problem if I go to list something and he already has it out there. >>

That's a good point and not sure if anyone else mentioned that yet. What if you did decide to put your own cards back on Ebay?

thunderdan · June 15, 2012 6:55AM

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<< I know the traffic is pretty limited on Unisquare so far. I've had several items that sat there lower than ebay BIN's but then when I list them to ebay (with prices marked up a bit for fees) they sell the first hour. I'm not going to worry too much about it as long as he/she doesn't start listing my entire inventory on ebay. Also next batch of free listings there will be a problem if I go to list something and he already has it out there. >>

That's a good point and not sure if anyone else mentioned that yet. What if you did decide to put your own cards back on Ebay? >>

He can kindly ask the other seller to take down the listings of his cards now that they're back on eBay. If he resuses, you can simply explain in your card description that while there may be pics of the same card and serial # on eBay, you are the true owner. Maybe you could also offer to take a scan of the card with today's newspaper as the backdrop for proof if the potential buyer needs assurance.

MCMLVTopps · June 15, 2012 7:02AM

Contact eBay.

The 2 negs the guy got were from items not received. He is ripping people off, eBay can ban him.

zep33 · June 15, 2012 7:32AM

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<< I know the traffic is pretty limited on Unisquare so far. I've had several items that sat there lower than ebay BIN's but then when I list them to ebay (with prices marked up a bit for fees) they sell the first hour. I'm not going to worry too much about it as long as he/she doesn't start listing my entire inventory on ebay. Also next batch of free listings there will be a problem if I go to list something and he already has it out there. >>

That's a good point and not sure if anyone else mentioned that yet. What if you did decide to put your own cards back on Ebay? >>

He can kindly ask the other seller to take down the listings of his cards now that they're back on eBay. If he resuses, you can simply explain in your card description that while there may be pics of the same card and serial # on eBay, you are the true owner. Maybe you could also offer to take a scan of the card with today's newspaper as the backdrop for proof if the potential buyer needs assurance. >>

Why should he have to go through all that crap to sell his own cards?

somebody else short-selling my stuff on ebay??

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