<< <i>Lew Lipset undergraded the raw Mantle he sold me >>
We know that ain't happening,.......I feel as though this horse is dying.......I guess I'm in the minority as far as bad dealings with Mr. Lipset. I am glad everyone else has escaped unscathed in their dealings with him.....
<< <i>Lew Lipset undergraded the raw Mantle he sold me >>
We know that ain't happening,.......I feel as though this horse is dying.......I guess I'm in the minority as far as bad dealings with Mr. Lipset. I am glad everyone else has escaped unscathed in their dealings with him..... >>
Yea!!! Don't return any items to Mr. Lipset lest you be blocked. Don't complain about his overgrading lest you be blocked. Don't ask any questions about receiving a scan or a larger picture, lest you get the wrath of Mr. Lipset. Just pay the money and move on. Don't mess with a legend.
Yea!!! Don't return any items to Mr. Lipset lest you be blocked. You didnt return any items to Mr. Lipset and you never inquired about a return per your own words.
Don't complain about his overgrading lest you be blocked. I may have missed it but you didnt complain to Mr. Lipset either except on two message boards which gave him no opportunity to make the situation right.
Don't ask any questions about receiving a scan or a larger picture, lest you get the wrath of Mr. Lipset. You didnt ask for scans by your own admission
Just pay the money and move on If you are dumb enough to "just take the hit and NOT do any of the above....then yeah.....pay yor money and move on
You just keep digging a deeper and deeper hole and making yourself look foolish dont you? All the above things, by your own admission you never did. No complaints, to returns and no scan requests BEFORE you purchased these items. You need to give it a rest because your stupidity is showing.
good Lord - you found threads from 2002 and 2007, and you're using this to defend your douchebag move of publicly blasting Lipset without having done the proper research beforehand OR making a polite phone call to inquire about a return/refund?
I wish Vegas still laid odds on whether a bobbyw 'look how I got screwed' thread would blow up in his face- I'd be fairly well off at this point. Sadly they took the lines off the board years ago.
<< <i>I wish Vegas still laid odds on whether a bobbyw 'look how I got screwed' thread would blow up in his face- I'd be fairly well off at this point. Sadly they took the lines off the board years ago. >>
He only found CU because of you dumbass. Thanks for nothing.
<< <i>I wish Vegas still laid odds on whether a bobbyw 'look how I got screwed' thread would blow up in his face- I'd be fairly well off at this point. Sadly they took the lines off the board years ago. >>
He only found CU because of you dumbass. Thanks for nothing. >>
You have every right to complain about the overgraded Ted. You asked for advice on Net54 and most of it was a suggestion to contact Lew for a return. Give the guy a call -- it's a misunderstanding over baseball cards.
You also could've posted a scan of the raw Ted here and confirmed that it's not "EX" by PSA standards. Not sure why you had to spend the time & effort to get PSA's opinion. I'm a fan of grading, but that card almost deserves to be raw.
Was it worth getting blocked? I don't see any complaints about the Willie Mays card you got in the Lipset auction for $782 that you now have on ebay for $1500.
Card is a 2 and accurately graded. Large crease and wrinkles. Who cares about all the particulars and beating on Bobby. Dealer grossly overgraded the card.
So why would you even care if you are blocked if you have such issues with him and his products? You give the guy a bashing but still want to be able to buy from him and think he should be ok with that?
While I feel he is probably overgrading, and its known, wouldnt you just bid accordingly? Did you take a risk and now have the buyers remorse? Did you not want to try and return the one card because he may have asked you to return everything?
I understand the complaint about the Ted Williams, I just dont understand all the other garbage.
I do this for your amusement.........I am glad everyone beats up on me. Bottom line, all of you who think Lipset is an angel better think again. He has a habit of pulling this crap and getting away with it time and time again. I haven't even touched the surface on the first lot that I won with him and all the issues I had with it. I would NOT have bid with him again. I just think it is funny that he blocked me. Kinda like the guy who fails to yield, almost causes a wreck, and flips people off, all because he doesn't know the rules of the road. I could care less if you bash on me or not. Maybe one day I can become "old school" and get free passes to do whatever.....
<< <i>All I want to know is will you make enough off this deal to buy lunch? >>
Hell no! I am gonna lose around $100-$150 in this deal......but losing money is nothing new to me. I just donated around $100 to help out the Pay It Forward thread because those modern commons just won't moving. Ya'll are lucky I am a generous soul!
You're the reason you're losing money on the deal. You never should have bought the cards in the first place. You paid about $310 delivered for the cards. Lew called the Williams VG-EX, Aaron EX and Mantle GD-VG. If the cards came back from PSA at those exact grades, the VCP average on the Williams is $108 in a PSA 4, and $85 for an Aaron PSA 5. Both cards would likely sell for below VCP average price because anybody looking at the scans can see the qualities of the cards would be low end for the 4 and 5 grades they received. So that's no better than $193 VCP average for the Williams and Aaron. The Mantle Lew called GD-VG, and you received a PSA grade of 3.5. This is where VCP can be confusing at times because the average prices of cards in the 2 to 3.5 range don't always increase as the grade goes higher. This can be due to freak, few, or old sales. The average prices on the Mantle are 2 @ $147, 2.5 @ $215, 3 @ $206, 3.5 @ $192. A more accurate valuation of a 2.5 based on why those average numbers are the way they are would put a 2.5 in the $150-$155 average range. So add the $155 you can expect to get for the Mantle 2.5 to the other two and you get a retail price of $348 dollars. That's if the cards all came back the grades Lew said they would and the scans sure don't suggest they were any better. You paid about $310 delivered for the group. Then you add the cost of PSA grading, and you'll need to pay Ebay and PayPal fees on the $348 worth of sales. Like you said, losing money is nothing new to you. Looking at the original pictures, even if the cards came back the grades Lew said, it was a terrible purchase to buy as a dealer looking to flip. You don't know what you're doing and have only yourself to blame for your losses.
I bought a set of 50 Bowmans from him many years ago that he stated was in near mint condition. Got the set in hand and more then half the cards all had pin holes in them. Called him the day I received them and he said the best he could do was put them in his next auction that would run again in about 4 months. He should of refunded the money and taken the cards back but gave some BS line that he already paid the consignor. The cards where most likely his already so he screwed me. I chalked it up to a lesson learned and never bought from him again. A lot of people especially on the Net54 board give him legendary status because he wrote some books on the hobby. My opinion of him is he is a con artist screwing people right and left. He is also very fast in wanting to sue people for slander and bring in his attorney.
I think an actionable, positive thing to take away from this discussion/thread is to try and always buy raw, if raw is your thing, in person.
The hobby is alive and thriving in large part because of the combination of (A) the internet and (B) third-party grading, which provides (barring the subjectivity of the graders) a useable standard.
But once we are talking raw, scans and different individuals' verbal descriptions/definitions just leaves so many gaps for disappointments. Scans can mitigate this to some degree, but there's no substitute for seeing a card in-hand.
So I think if one is buying raw online, there should always be a bit of caveat emptor on the buyer's part. It's a gamble and as with any gamble there's two ways it can turn out.
Return policies are a great thing to look for in these situations. If one is buying raw online and one is also the type to be very salted out with overgraded cards, one has to try and do deals with a return policy in place and confirm this prior to the deal being consummated.
<< <i>I think an actionable, positive thing to take away from this discussion/thread is to try and always buy raw, if raw is your thing, in person.
The hobby is alive and thriving in large part because of the combination of (A) the internet and (B) third-party grading, which provides (barring the subjectivity of the graders) a useable standard.
But once we are talking raw, scans and different individuals' verbal descriptions/definitions just leaves so many gaps for disappointments. Scans can mitigate this to some degree, but there's no substitute for seeing a card in-hand.
So I think if one is buying raw online, there should always be a bit of caveat emptor on the buyer's part. It's a gamble and as with any gamble there's two ways it can turn out.
Return policies are a great thing to look for in these situations. If one is buying raw online and one is also the type to be very salted out with overgraded cards, one has to try and do deals with a return policy in place and confirm this prior to the deal being consummated. >>
Your last line is the safety net for ALL raw deals, but it has to be exercised or it's useless to ask about it.
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How come there isn't a thread titled: "Lew Lipset undergraded the raw Mantle he sold me"?
<< <i>Lew Lipset undergraded the raw Mantle he sold me >>
We know that ain't happening,.......I feel as though this horse is dying.......I guess I'm in the minority as far as bad dealings with Mr. Lipset. I am glad everyone else has escaped unscathed in their dealings with him.....
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<< <i>Lew Lipset undergraded the raw Mantle he sold me >>
We know that ain't happening,.......I feel as though this horse is dying.......I guess I'm in the minority as far as bad dealings with Mr. Lipset. I am glad everyone else has escaped unscathed in their dealings with him..... >>
Shouldnt that tell you something??
<< <i>Shouldnt that tell you something?? >>
Yea!!! Don't return any items to Mr. Lipset lest you be blocked. Don't complain about his overgrading lest you be blocked. Don't ask any questions about receiving a scan or a larger picture, lest you get the wrath of Mr. Lipset. Just pay the money and move on. Don't mess with a legend.
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<< <i>Shouldnt that tell you something?? >>
Yea!!! Don't return any items to Mr. Lipset lest you be blocked. You didnt return any items to Mr. Lipset and you never inquired about a return per your own words.
Don't complain about his overgrading lest you be blocked. I may have missed it but you didnt complain to Mr. Lipset either except on two message boards which gave him no opportunity to make the situation right.
Don't ask any questions about receiving a scan or a larger picture, lest you get the wrath of Mr. Lipset. You didnt ask for scans by your own admission
Just pay the money and move on If you are dumb enough to "just take the hit and NOT do any of the above....then yeah.....pay yor money and move on
You just keep digging a deeper and deeper hole and making yourself look foolish dont you? All the above things, by your own admission you never did. No complaints, to returns and no scan requests BEFORE you purchased these items. You need to give it a rest because your stupidity is showing.
It never ceases to amaze me how unmature mature men can be.
To be honest, no direction, but...
1966-69 Topps EX+
1975 minis NrMt Kelloggs PSA 9
All Topps Heritage-Master Sets
Link #1
Heaven forbid you even talk about Mr. Lipset!
Dodgers collection scans | Brett Butler registry | 1978 Dodgers - straight 9s, homie
you might still have a chance to grab some action predicting Scott's next boycott thread.
<< <i>I wish Vegas still laid odds on whether a bobbyw 'look how I got screwed' thread would blow up in his face- I'd be fairly well off at this point. Sadly they took the lines off the board years ago. >>
He only found CU because of you dumbass. Thanks for nothing.
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<< <i>I wish Vegas still laid odds on whether a bobbyw 'look how I got screwed' thread would blow up in his face- I'd be fairly well off at this point. Sadly they took the lines off the board years ago. >>
He only found CU because of you dumbass. Thanks for nothing. >>
Dodgers collection scans | Brett Butler registry | 1978 Dodgers - straight 9s, homie
You also could've posted a scan of the raw Ted here and confirmed that it's not "EX" by PSA standards. Not sure why you had to spend the time & effort to get PSA's opinion. I'm a fan of grading, but that card almost deserves to be raw.
Live and learn.
http://www.oldjudge.com/auction/mickey-mantle-willie-mays/160/
http://www.ebay.com/itm/160803286612
While I feel he is probably overgrading, and its known, wouldnt you just bid accordingly? Did you take a risk and now have the buyers remorse? Did you not want to try and return the one card because he may have asked you to return everything?
I understand the complaint about the Ted Williams, I just dont understand all the other garbage.
So, what's your favorite cheese?
<< <i>All I want to know is will you make enough off this deal to buy lunch? >>
Hell no! I am gonna lose around $100-$150 in this deal......but losing money is nothing new to me. I just donated around $100 to help out the Pay It Forward thread because those modern commons just won't moving. Ya'll are lucky I am a generous soul!
the bump in the Mantle grade is a good $100 plus difference
the downgrade on the Williams is a $50 difference
The hobby is alive and thriving in large part because of the combination of (A) the internet and (B) third-party grading, which provides (barring the subjectivity of the graders) a useable standard.
But once we are talking raw, scans and different individuals' verbal descriptions/definitions just leaves so many gaps for disappointments. Scans can mitigate this to some degree, but there's no substitute for seeing a card in-hand.
So I think if one is buying raw online, there should always be a bit of caveat emptor on the buyer's part. It's a gamble and as with any gamble there's two ways it can turn out.
Return policies are a great thing to look for in these situations. If one is buying raw online and one is also the type to be very salted out with overgraded cards, one has to try and do deals with a return policy in place and confirm this prior to the deal being consummated.
<< <i>I think an actionable, positive thing to take away from this discussion/thread is to try and always buy raw, if raw is your thing, in person.
The hobby is alive and thriving in large part because of the combination of (A) the internet and (B) third-party grading, which provides (barring the subjectivity of the graders) a useable standard.
But once we are talking raw, scans and different individuals' verbal descriptions/definitions just leaves so many gaps for disappointments. Scans can mitigate this to some degree, but there's no substitute for seeing a card in-hand.
So I think if one is buying raw online, there should always be a bit of caveat emptor on the buyer's part. It's a gamble and as with any gamble there's two ways it can turn out.
Return policies are a great thing to look for in these situations. If one is buying raw online and one is also the type to be very salted out with overgraded cards, one has to try and do deals with a return policy in place and confirm this prior to the deal being consummated. >>
Your last line is the safety net for ALL raw deals, but it has to be exercised or it's useless to ask about it.
Working on the following: 1970 Baseball PSA, 1970-1976 Raw, World Series Subsets PSA, 1969 Expansion Teams PSA, Fleer World Series Sets, Texas Rangers Topps Run 1972-1989
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Successful deals to date: thedudeabides,gameusedhoop,golfcollector,tigerdean,treetop,bkritz, CapeMOGuy,WeekendHacker,jeff8877,backbidder,Salinas,milbroco,bbuckner22,VitoCo1972,ddfamf,gemint,K,fatty macs,waltersobchak,dboneesq