<< <i> It is too bad that one's grading skills and one's ego can be so intertwined on these boards. Many of the members here believe that the higher the number of years in the hobby equates to better grading skills which may not be necessarily true other than having the most practice but sometimes the essence of grading is never achieved.
Take the ego's out of the equation, take your time and use your loupes and turn the coin in your hand endlessly and the truth will be uncovered. Sometimes what was taught years ago is the wrong education, it isn't always what was done then that is always right now but what is known now after years of improving or adding on to one's knowledge base. Experience and education and change is what counts in my book. >>
You forget one important factor which cannot be taught: Talent.
Its skillful application over many years create a knowledge of one's own capabilities that might be confused with ego. However, knowledge and the security of recognizing one's own strengths are healthy, not unhealthy, manifestations of ego. A prodigious memory for coins, excellent pattern recognition abilities, and facility with numbers including extrapolationary skills, talents actualized by the acquisition of necessarily skills, separate the best from the mundane.
So I thank you for explicating your unrealistic view of how a coin is evaluated. Wonderful in theory, it reflects little of practice by the best. "You and I can take hours". It helps to delineate a divide between anything that can be learned by rote and that which is intuitive.
Grading at a high level is not performed just by vision, but a gestalt awareness that, if it can be taught at all, takes years to develop. Except for some geniuses who just "get it". I am not among them, but am lucky to have some special spark that has served me well. And I have honed it with decades of practice. Literally millions of coins. How's that for a knowledge base?
Ego? Hell yes, but I have the skills and the knowledge to back it up. So it's self-knowledge too. And I know what I don't know too. Mostly.
Your theory is interesting, but at the higher levels of the grading game it has almost nothing to do with reality. Being nearsighted helps a lot too. And what, pray tell, is the "essence of grading" besides poetry?
You are pissing on the heads of giants without understanding you are standing on their shoulders.
Where is that quote from Dr. Asimov when I need it? >>
Excellent response and I agree 100%. I generally suck at grading coins but I understand what you're saying from my 30 years of experience as an insect taxonomist. After decades of work on the taxonomy of the insects I specialize in, and having looked at literally millions of these insects, I'm incredibly efficient and accurate at identifying them to species. I've seen the same skills in others working with other plant and animal groups. One develops a gestalt and can identify their specialty organisms to species almost instantaneously. Yet even with this understanding, the real pros constantly look for something that doesn't quite fit within the bounds of one's understanding of the morphology of the species one's seen (or in this case, making a fine discrimination between grades) and will examine those specimens closer for a final determination. If ego is involved it's more about avoiding making a mistake.
Seconds to grade a coin....wowzers, takes me hours of scouring the net looking for pics to compare coins or comparing ones I do have. If graders even take a minute or so, everything would be so properly graded that we don't need cac or need to waste money resubmitting
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<< <i>Seconds to grade a coin....wowzers, takes me hours of scouring the net looking for pics to compare coins or comparing ones I do have. If graders even take a minute or so, everything would be so properly graded that we don't need cac or need to waste money resubmitting >>
i bet you're quick on grading those girls in grass skirts in hawaii thou... not second wasted...hehehe
everything in life is but merely on loan to us by our appreciation....lose your appreciation and see
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<< <i> It is too bad that one's grading skills and one's ego can be so intertwined on these boards. Many of the members here believe that the higher the number of years in the hobby equates to better grading skills which may not be necessarily true other than having the most practice but sometimes the essence of grading is never achieved.
Take the ego's out of the equation, take your time and use your loupes and turn the coin in your hand endlessly and the truth will be uncovered. Sometimes what was taught years ago is the wrong education, it isn't always what was done then that is always right now but what is known now after years of improving or adding on to one's knowledge base. Experience and education and change is what counts in my book. >>
You forget one important factor which cannot be taught: Talent.
Its skillful application over many years create a knowledge of one's own capabilities that might be confused with ego. However, knowledge and the security of recognizing one's own strengths are healthy, not unhealthy, manifestations of ego. A prodigious memory for coins, excellent pattern recognition abilities, and facility with numbers including extrapolationary skills, talents actualized by the acquisition of necessarily skills, separate the best from the mundane.
So I thank you for explicating your unrealistic view of how a coin is evaluated. Wonderful in theory, it reflects little of practice by the best. "You and I can take hours". It helps to delineate a divide between anything that can be learned by rote and that which is intuitive.
Grading at a high level is not performed just by vision, but a gestalt awareness that, if it can be taught at all, takes years to develop. Except for some geniuses who just "get it". I am not among them, but am lucky to have some special spark that has served me well. And I have honed it with decades of practice. Literally millions of coins. How's that for a knowledge base?
Ego? Hell yes, but I have the skills and the knowledge to back it up. So it's self-knowledge too. And I know what I don't know too. Mostly.
Your theory is interesting, but at the higher levels of the grading game it has almost nothing to do with reality. Being nearsighted helps a lot too. And what, pray tell, is the "essence of grading" besides poetry?
You are pissing on the heads of giants without understanding you are standing on their shoulders.
Where is that quote from Dr. Asimov when I need it? >>
Excellent response and I agree 100%. I generally suck at grading coins but I understand what you're saying from my 30 years of experience as an insect taxonomist. After decades of work on the taxonomy of the insects I specialize in, and having looked at literally millions of these insects, I'm incredibly efficient and accurate at identifying them to species. I've seen the same skills in others working with other plant and animal groups. One develops a gestalt and can identify their specialty organisms to species almost instantaneously. Yet even with this understanding, the real pros constantly look for something that doesn't quite fit within the bounds of one's understanding of the morphology of the species one's seen (or in this case, making a fine discrimination between grades) and will examine those specimens closer for a final determination. If ego is involved it's more about avoiding making a mistake.
If graders even take a minute or so, everything would be so properly graded that we don't need cac or need to waste money resubmitting
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<< <i>Seconds to grade a coin....wowzers, takes me hours of scouring the net looking for pics to compare coins or comparing ones I do have.
If graders even take a minute or so, everything would be so properly graded that we don't need cac or need to waste money resubmitting >>
i bet you're quick on grading those girls in grass skirts in hawaii thou...
not second wasted...hehehe