Is this 1921 P$ Properly grade GTG

Peacemonkey

I wont post the grade to see what the consensus is. No cheating. I apparently have a tough time grading these.

magikbilly

64+?

Eric

tradedollarnut

58

DNADave

I think 58 is right. There's enough going on in the fields and on the neck to indicate light circulation.

WhiteTornado

58 at best. There appears to be a bit of rub dead center on the eagle. But believe me, you are not the only one who struggles to consistently grade Peaces dollars! I'm in the same boat.

michiganboy

61

BryceM

I think what people are seeing in the centers is the typical weakness of strike, not wear. Color is OK, not white, but not unattractive. Luster is dificult to judge from these photos. I'm not sure what is going on in the field above the eagle's back - maybe an area of die polishing? Enormous coins like this can show a surprising number of abrasions and hits even in gem grades. Determining wear would be easier in hand to look for luster breaks on the high points of Liberty's cheeck, the neck, and the high areas of the feathers. I also happen to believe that a very large number of lightly circulated pieces live in MS holders from both TPGs.

This coin does have quite a bit of noise on the neck and scattered around the reverse. Overall I'd guess 63.

Justlooking

I'm a gonna give you a 55 on that one. Still nice!

TennesseeDave

62

PeaceBD

Looks like 63 with a typical weak strike in the center.

tradedollarnut

<< <i>I think what people are seeing in the centers is the typical weakness of strike, not wear. Color is OK, not white, but not unattractive. Luster is dificult to judge from these photos. I'm not sure what is going on in the field above the eagle's back - maybe an area of die polishing? Enormous coins like this can show a surprising number of abrasions and hits even in gem grades. Determining wear would be easier in hand to look for luster breaks on the high points of Liberty's cheeck, the neck, and the high areas of the feathers. >>



Nothing to do with strike. Discoloration on the cheek appears to be rub, as does the sliding above the eagle.



<< <i>I also happen to believe that a very large number of lightly circulated pieces live in MS holders from both TPGs >>



No doubt - could easily be AU62

BryceM

<< <i>Nothing to do with strike. Discoloration on the cheek appears to be rub, as does the sliding above the eagle. >>



You could be right about the cheek, but on 21s those cheeks are really, really round and it might just be the photo. In-hand it would be pretty easy to tell the difference.

Peacemonkey

OK, so I am not crazy. This coin is in a PCGS MS 65 holder

bestclser1

The 21 i still cant find had a soft strike.But.Hmmm

roadrunner

62 to 63. Some high point scuffing but it doesn't look like wear. Enough hits and scrapes that the 65 grade surprises me. A bean would be even more surprising.

stealer

<< <i>OK, so I am not crazy. This coin is in a PCGS MS 65 holder >>


FWIW my first thought was 65.

Mowgli

<< <i>OK, so I am not crazy. This coin is in a PCGS MS 65 holder >>



I've just decided that I don't know how to grade these.

tradedollarnut

<< <i>

<< <i>OK, so I am not crazy. This coin is in a PCGS MS 65 holder >>



I've just decided that I don't know how to grade these off an image. >>



Fixed it for ya.

bestclser1

BryceM

65? Hmmm. I could see 64 but it seems a bit baggy for a 65. It's either a touch generously graded or it must really look nice in-hand. The graders seem to be easier on the 21s than with the low-relief dates from what I've seen.

FWIW, I think Peace Dollar grading is a bit different. I cut my teeth on this series and it's really hard for me to apply what I learned to other series - especially buff nickels. I can't tell much difference between a MS64 and a MS67 buff, even with a good loupe and lots of time. A buff with this many hits wouldn't even see an MS grade.

Except for the very nicest examples in 66+/67 grades, almost every Peace Dollar will show tons of uglyness when enlarged like in these photos.

Here's my 65 for comparison:

halfhunter

Nevermind . . .

CoinJunkie

Good luck getting full 65 money for that coin in an auction...

Justlooking

Sure fooled me. I didn't think any of them were this soft in 1921. Later years, yeah.

mkman123

Maybe the blown up pics make it look worse than it really is. I bet it didn't get the green bean!!!

nwcoast

My first thought was 63, 64 on a very good morning after the grader had a hot night out.
Grading in this series continues to baffle me...

magikbilly

BTW, my guess of 64+ was a guess at what out host graded it - not what I would grade it. This applies to almost all of my guesses.

Eric

Kove

It's fairly common to see coins like this in 65 holders from 5-10 years ago. I have a recently graded 64+ that looks to be in identical condition.

lcoopie

58

golfer72

<< <i>65? Hmmm. I could see 64 but it seems a bit baggy for a 65. It's either a touch generously graded or it must really look nice in-hand. The graders seem to be easier on the 21s than with the low-relief dates from what I've seen.

FWIW, I think Peace Dollar grading is a bit different. I cut my teeth on this series and it's really hard for me to apply what I learned to other series - especially buff nickels. I can't tell much difference between a MS64 and a MS67 buff, even with a good loupe and lots of time. A buff with this many hits wouldn't even see an MS grade.

Except for the very nicest examples in 66+/67 grades, almost every Peace Dollar will show tons of uglyness when enlarged like in these photos.

Here's my 65 for comparison:

>>

Thats a beauty ! Way better than the OP coin. Buy the coin, not the label.

TheRaven

62 at the highest.

bidask

Eye appeal means everything for this date.....I have seen technical MS 65's that just are not all there when its comes to the luster factor.

I thought this one met my personal standards for eye appeal as a MS 65.

Peacemonkey

Thats a nice one bidask