How many U.S. coins,can one tell the date...

joeykoins

I got this idea from another thread about buffs. How many coins can one tell the date by only viewing the reverse? such as the 1913 buffaloe? Thanks bigtonydallas.

ctf_error_coins

2005 Bison

mingot

Jeff 5c 2004 and 2005 there were two reverses each year.

1976 Kennedy, Washington, IKE

2009 Lincoln cents

1883 5c, no cents reverse

PerryHall

Arrows and rays quarters and halves of 1853.

PerryHall

One year only commemoratives.

joeykoins

WoW! I didn't realize how many. How about the "Statehood" quarters? You have to really do your homework to know these years.

joeykoins

One note on these,many people consider the reverse,actually the obverse.

PerryHall

<< <i>WoW! I didn't realize how many. How about the "Statehood" quarters? You have to really do your homework to know these years. >>



Don't forget the Territories and D.C. quarters along with the ATB coins.

joeykoins

Us variety/error collectors, can tell,just by seeing markers. Such as the "accent hair" Kennedy,with the stars and
"F.G."

EagleEye

1964-D half
1921 P-D-S dollars
1883 No Cent nickel
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I think on statehood quarters, the state design is considered the obverse.

joeykoins

<< <i>1964-D half
1921 P-D-S dollars
1883 No Cent nickel
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I think on statehood quarters, the state design is considered the obverse. >>

Do you know this as fact? or you just think so? I like to know the official term.Has it ever been mentioned by the mint?

Zoins

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<< <i>1964-D half
1921 P-D-S dollars
1883 No Cent nickel
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I think on statehood quarters, the state design is considered the obverse. >>

Do you know this as fact? or you just think so? I like to know the official term.Has it ever been mentioned by the mint? >>



The US Mint considers the state design the reverse.

stealer

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<< <i>1964-D half
1921 P-D-S dollars
1883 No Cent nickel
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I think on statehood quarters, the state design is considered the obverse. >>

Do you know this as fact? or you just think so? I like to know the official term.Has it ever been mentioned by the mint? >>


I think the reason is that the denomination always appears on the reverse of the coin. On the statehood quarters and whatnot, the denomination appears on the Washington side, thus making it the reverse.

Zoins

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<< <i>1964-D half
1921 P-D-S dollars
1883 No Cent nickel
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I think on statehood quarters, the state design is considered the obverse. >>

Do you know this as fact? or you just think so? I like to know the official term.Has it ever been mentioned by the mint? >>


I think the reason is that the denomination always appears on the reverse of the coin. On the statehood quarters and whatnot, the denomination appears on the Washington side, thus making it the reverse. >>



The denomination apparently isn't the determining factor for the US Mint. The US Mint specifically notes the denomination is on the obverse for the SHQs:



<< <i>Obverse Description: Highlights a bust of President George Washington. The inscriptions on this coin says, United States of America, Liberty, In GOD We Trust, and Quarter Dollar. >>

joeykoins

Thanks guy's. Now I know. ( Officially )

morgansforever

1878 P Morgan 8 tail feathers, only year with 8TF, every other year and MM has 7 tail feathers.
Plus the 1878 P Morgan 7 over 8TF. 1878 CC Morgan with PAF (parallel top arrow feather). The only CC with PAF.
EDIT:
1890 CC Morgan VAM-4 tailbar, and the 1891 CC Morgan VAM-3 Spitting Eagle.
1939 P Jefferson nickel DDR.
1983 P cent DDR.

1878 P Morgan 8TF, only year and MM with 8 tail feathers


1878 P Morgan 7 over 8TF, only year that this occured.

JedPlanchet

1859 Indian Head Cent

Barndog

if you examine this one closely, you can see the date clashed onto the reverse

savoyspecial

Native American Dollars (2009-current)

joeykoins

The SAE "Reverse Proof" 2006, but since the new Reverse Proof,not anymore.

EagleEye

1859 Indian Head Cent

There is a 1858 pattern with the exact same reverse as used in 1859 (six leaves)

joeykoins

Barndog,That is Awesome!

OldEastside

1912 D or S Liberty Nickels

Steve

LanceNewmanOCC

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this is a fun read!
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joeykoins

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COALPORTER

steel lincoln cents.
all 1964 Kenedy halfs (if you know what silver looks like)
1976 Ike, quarter, half.

Tons of classic commems.
Gobrect dollars.

COALPORTER

you should be able to tell 1859-S seated dollar. It was the only no-motto seated dollar made in SF.

dont forget the 1848 quater eagle with CAL on reverse and the 1861 Paquet reverse double eagle.

BloodMan

1861-S $20 Paquet
Saint-Gaudens High Relief $20

lasvegasteddy

1942 proof jefferson nickel type 2
1909 p& s vdb cent
1937 3 legged buffalo nickel
1935-s 4 ray peace dollar
1943 p/d/s cent (kind of obvious though)
2000 p sac cheerios
1921 peace only p mint with 4 ray reverse
1936 1c & 5c satin finish proofs
1946 ddr walker

AUandAG

1878 P Morgan 7 over 8TF, only year that this occured.
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Hey, morgansforever, great pic and shows something I've never seen before. A long nock that
was re-cut to a short nock. Interesting detail I've overlooked.

bob

PS: the 1901 DDR is very similar but the difference is easily detected by the PAF on the '78.

messydesk

Speaking for silver dollars, 1878 8TF, 7TF Rev. 78, 7/8 TF, 1921-PDS are the only Morgan dollars for which you can always tell the date by the reverse. Likewise for 1921 Peace dollars.

1878-S, 1878 7TF Rev 79, 1922-PDS, and 1935-S all have die pairs with reverse hubs that are unique to those years, but those years also have reverses that are used in other years.

Then there are reverses that have well-known diagnostics of specific varieties for a specific year, for example, 1880 VAM 1A, 1900-O/CC, 1903-S Micro S, 1882-O/S, 1891-O VAM 1A, 1881-S VAM 54, 1901 VAM 3, 1924 VAM 5A. The longer you study these, the more varieties you can pick out by the reverse alone using lesser known diagnostics.

There are a few reverses that are known to have been used across multiple years. 1878-S VAM 45 and 1879-S VAM 9 is one example.

In Seated dollars, you have 1859-S as the only no-motto S-mint. 1872-S is almost the only w/motto S-mint, save for a few 1870-S coins.

CaptHenway

1851-O three cent silver.
1860-O dime.
1909-O $5.
1879-O $20.
MCMVII High Relief $20.

CaptHenway

The 1933 $10 was from a new reverse hub. Many years ago, the ANA had a U.S. type set on display in the new basement museum. They only had two $10 indians in the collection, one of which was a 1933, and at the time they were afraid to use such a vauable coin in the display, so they used the 1933 to show the reverse.

A visiting numismatist (who owned a 1933) spotted it and asked why in the heck they had a 1933 in the case reverse out!

CaptHenway

A lot of U.S. coins struck before the late 1830's, to the variety specialists.

morgansforever

<<PS: the 1901 DDR is very similar but the difference is easily detected by the PAF on the '78. >>

The 1901 DDR is quite different. The 7 over 8 tail feathers are offset, the 1901 DDR is not.
The feathers are clearly doubled as are other devices pointed out.

Coinfacts pic of a 1901 DDR.



1878 P 7 over 8 tail feathers. The PAF is a dead giveaway.

Barndog

<< <i>A lot of U.S. coins struck before the late 1830's, to the variety specialists. >>



A good example of this: three die marriages of 1829 half dimes have three vertical stripes in the shield. All others have just two

Batman23

I am sure you can figure this date out... and there is not date clash to help you out.

kranky

At a forum member dinner someone brought a Lincoln for show-and-tell that had a full obv brockage - only a vague outline of Lincoln was visible on the obv, while the rev was normal. It was slabbed as "no date" but Coppercoins took a quick look and identified the year by pointing out the FG initials were of a style used only in 1973.

morgansforever

<<I am sure you can figure this date out... and there is not date clash to help you out. >>

That was easy 1875S, the only S MM piece from a 3 year run.

EDIT: Still trying to figure out Barndog's piece. I think I see numerals above EPU.

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CaptHenway

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<< <i>A lot of U.S. coins struck before the late 1830's, to the variety specialists. >>



A good example of this: three die marriages of 1829 half dimes have three vertical stripes in the shield. All others have just two >>



Or the 1798 Heraldic Eagle dollars with four or five vertical stripes in the shield, one of my discoveries.

astrorat

1875-S twenty-cent piece

Edited to add ... Dang! Batman beat me to it! There is the 1875-CC twenty-cent piece ... it would be a "more likely than not" guess since there are so few 1876-CC examples known.

roadrunner

Off hand these come to mind:

1839 quarter with very long claws reverse
1853-0 quarter either O over horiz O or filled O mintmarks
1854-0 quarter huge O mintmark
1856-S quarter with S/s mintmark
1860-0 quarter with thin and broken O mint mark....there's also a variety with heavy reverse clashing not seen on other New Orleans quarters
1877-S quarter with S/s mintmark
1891-0 quarter

There are no doubt a lot others but those are the easy ones. The 1841 and 1847 both have doubled die reverse varieties. I'm not familar with them but
they are probably unique reverses.

yosclimber

A few more that haven't been mentioned yet (Redbook level varieties):
1787 Fugio
1792 half disme
1793 half cent (lettering size for HALF CENT)
1793 chain cent
1793 wreath cent with beaded border
1801 cent 1/000
1796 quarter
1799 $1 15 rev. stars
1836 Gobrecht $1 (stars in field around eagle)
all the $1 gold (but we should exclude coins with the date on the reverse, like apparently the state quarters)
1808 $2.50 (20mm diameter)
all the $3 (dated reverse)
1798 $5 14 rev stars
1796 $10 9 leaves below eagle

lkeigwin

<< <i>EDIT: Still trying to figure out Barndog's piece. I think I see numerals above EPU. >>

Here you go.
Lance.

morgansforever

Thanks Lance I see it now, all the digits are lopped in half.

lkeigwin

<< <i>Thanks Lance I see it now, all the digits are lopped in half. >>

Yeah, the bottom half of the numerals are hidden a little under the purple toning in STATES. But you can make them out pretty well.

Maybe I should have noted that I inverted the image of the clashed date so it would be easier to recognize.

Wonderful half dime, Barndog!
Lance.

Staircoins

Superbird quarter is another.

As well as the Bicentennial quarter, half and dollar. (Edit: Oops, I see that Coalporter already listed these last 3!)

baddspellar

1909 Lincoln Cent with VDB

magikbilly

1941 50C Pr no AW


Eric

morgansforever

<<Maybe I should have noted that I inverted the image of the clashed date so it would be easier to recognize.>>

No need to note it, I realized from the jump that you rotated it 180.
Great thread, learned alot about other series', always learning.