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Camp David Peace Dollar counterstamp
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Peace dollar
Illini found this one for me. I think it fits into my Dansco 7070 counterstamp collection as an emblamatic coin of the 20th century. Not only is the counterstamp and holder cool, I like the host coin as well.
I don't plan on "cracking" it out, I use the album for all of the "raw" coins in the set.
Illini found this one for me. I think it fits into my Dansco 7070 counterstamp collection as an emblamatic coin of the 20th century. Not only is the counterstamp and holder cool, I like the host coin as well.
I don't plan on "cracking" it out, I use the album for all of the "raw" coins in the set.
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Michael Kittle Rare Coins --- 1908-S Indian Head Cent Grading Set --- No. 1 1909 Mint Set --- Kittlecoins on Facebook --- Long Beach Table 448
Sugar magnolia blossoms blooming, heads all empty and I don't care ...
I figured I'd ask PCGS if they would certify and holder the coin since that would be a neat alternative to having the original case. When I asked about it, the customer service people at the PCGS weren't sure they graded counterstamped coins, so that didn't work out.
The next day, while PCGS was having their daily one hour meet the expert sessions, I decided to show the coin to David Hall and asked him about it. I tried to convince him that PCGS should be holdering these coins in some fashion.
Ideally, I believe they should grade the coin (as best they can) and note the Camp David counterstamp on the label... similar to what is done with chopmarks on Trade Dollars. Alternatively, they could just call it BU and not attempt to assign a numerical grade. And worst case, they should at least put it in a PCGS Genuine holder and use the .98 code for Damage. If I took a BU Peace Dollar and smacked it with a hammer, they'd put it in a Genuine holder... so they surely should do the same if that hammer happens to have words and markings engraved on it
Mr. Hall agreed to consider the situation and he took the coin with him for review back at PCGS. Will keep you guys posted as to the outcome.
Michael Kittle Rare Coins --- 1908-S Indian Head Cent Grading Set --- No. 1 1909 Mint Set --- Kittlecoins on Facebook --- Long Beach Table 448
rainbowroosie April 1, 2003
Found another one of these at the Long Beach show... wasn't in the original holder though, but it was also a pretty example.
I figured I'd ask PCGS if they would certify and holder the coin since that would be a neat alternative to having the original case. When I asked about it, the customer service people at the PCGS weren't sure they graded counterstamped coins, so that didn't work out.
The next day, while PCGS was having their daily one hour meet the expert sessions, I decided to show the coin to David Hall and asked him about it. I tried to convince him that PCGS should be holdering these coins in some fashion.
Ideally, I believe they should grade the coin (as best they can) and note the Camp David counterstamp on the label... similar to what is done with chopmarks on Trade Dollars. Alternatively, they could just call it BU and not attempt to assign a numerical grade. And worst case, they should at least put it in a PCGS Genuine holder and use the .98 code for Damage. If I took a BU Peace Dollar and smacked it with a hammer, they'd put it in a Genuine holder... so they surely should do the same if that hammer happens to have words and markings engraved on it
Mr. Hall agreed to consider the situation and he took the coin with him for review back at PCGS. Will keep you guys posted as to the outcome.;
Any update yet?
Found another one of these at the Long Beach show... wasn't in the original holder though, but it was also a pretty example.
I figured I'd ask PCGS if they would certify and holder the coin since that would be a neat alternative to having the original case. When I asked about it, the customer service people at the PCGS weren't sure they graded counterstamped coins, so that didn't work out.
The next day, while PCGS was having their daily one hour meet the expert sessions, I decided to show the coin to David Hall and asked him about it. I tried to convince him that PCGS should be holdering these coins in some fashion.
Ideally, I believe they should grade the coin (as best they can) and note the Camp David counterstamp on the label... similar to what is done with chopmarks on Trade Dollars. Alternatively, they could just call it BU and not attempt to assign a numerical grade. And worst case, they should at least put it in a PCGS Genuine holder and use the .98 code for Damage. If I took a BU Peace Dollar and smacked it with a hammer, they'd put it in a Genuine holder... so they surely should do the same if that hammer happens to have words and markings engraved on it
Mr. Hall agreed to consider the situation and he took the coin with him for review back at PCGS. Will keep you guys posted as to the outcome.
Wouldn't this open the door to "ALL" the Mel Wacks Counterstamped Coins?
And in turn, cause problems with the non-Mel Wacks Counter stamped coins such as this one?
Middle East Peace Accord
The name is LEE!
Kinda like Dan Carr 64 peace restrike.
There are limits.
I have a Sadat-Begin-Carter restrike in a 2x2, can't imagine pcgs will grade / validate it.
Kinda like Dan Carr 64 peace restrike.
There are limits.
Neither coin you describe are "restrikes". They are "overstrikes".
Regardless, I know what you are saying and I think you may be right.
Especially since this thread is from close to 4 years ago (2012).
Had PCGS decided to holder or certify the coins, it would have been huge news.
The name is LEE!
I have seen them encapsulated by ANACS and NGC though. And given some of the other coins PCGS had been grading lately like other counterstamps, I think the chances of PCGS grading one of these today is much higher than it was a couple years ago.
Michael Kittle Rare Coins --- 1908-S Indian Head Cent Grading Set --- No. 1 1909 Mint Set --- Kittlecoins on Facebook --- Long Beach Table 448
I have a Sadat-Begin-Carter restrike in a 2x2, can't imagine pcgs will grade / validate it.
Kinda like Dan Carr 64 peace restrike.
There are limits.
Neither coin you describe are "restrikes". They are "overstrikes".
Regardless, I know what you are saying and I think you may be right.
Especially since this thread is from close to 4 years ago (2012).
Had PCGS decided to holder or certify the coins, it would have been huge news.
Yep, overstrike, restrike, my bad, 4 year old thread, didn't notice.
+1 for "Regardless" Usually it's "Irregardless", which is informal, not recognized, regardless is correct.
At least to me. Others will differ.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
There is one currently on eBay for $999.99 or best offer. There are also several other Mel Wacks overstrikes that are priced a lot less on eBay.
That one's been up there for awhile and will likely be up there forever at that price!
I see these at local shops in SoCal every so often and get them when I can. Always have at least a couple in inventory and they seem to sell at the Long Beach shows in the $200-$300 range depending on the overall eye appeal and whether they're in the original case or not.
An NGC MS63 graded example sold on Heritage last night for $376.
Michael Kittle Rare Coins --- 1908-S Indian Head Cent Grading Set --- No. 1 1909 Mint Set --- Kittlecoins on Facebook --- Long Beach Table 448
I have a Sadat-Begin-Carter restrike in a 2x2, can't imagine pcgs will grade / validate it.
Kinda like Dan Carr 64 peace restrike.
There are limits.
PCGS would not encapsulate these for me at the time. They told me these needed to be in a catalog of some sort first before they'd consider it. Mel Wacks does have them cataloged online, but not sure that's enough.
I have seen them encapsulated by ANACS and NGC though. And given some of the other coins PCGS had been grading lately like other counterstamps, I think the chances of PCGS grading one of these today is much higher than it was a couple years ago.
Note that the "Carr 1964-D" Peace Dollar over-strikes are listed in one of the PCGS approved catalogs: Krause "Unusual World Coins", 6th edition, United States section, page 696.
I have a Sadat-Begin-Carter restrike in a 2x2, can't imagine pcgs will grade / validate it.
Kinda like Dan Carr 64 peace restrike.
There are limits.
PCGS would not encapsulate these for me at the time. They told me these needed to be in a catalog of some sort first before they'd consider it. Mel Wacks does have them cataloged online, but not sure that's enough.
I have seen them encapsulated by ANACS and NGC though. And given some of the other coins PCGS had been grading lately like other counterstamps, I think the chances of PCGS grading one of these today is much higher than it was a couple years ago.
Note that the "Carr 1964-D" Peace Dollar over-strikes are listed in one of the PCGS approved catalogs: Krause "Unusual World Coins", 6th edition, United States section, page 696.
I just had PCGS certify a couple of the 1984 squared quarters listed right by your Peace Dollars in that same catalog. If I had one of your 1964-D Peace Dollars, I'd certainly send them in to PCGS for grading
Michael Kittle Rare Coins --- 1908-S Indian Head Cent Grading Set --- No. 1 1909 Mint Set --- Kittlecoins on Facebook --- Long Beach Table 448
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