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  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am fairly certain you have a Judd-2116 (or Pollock-2082) 1965 pattern quarter.

    You mention that PCGS will not certify it - I am assuming you called their customer service, and they told you so. It could be that it was not actually made by the mint (although the die was)- these companies were supposed to test metals / clads mixtures-> IDX, Inc. - PMX Industries - Olin Brass Corp.



    http://uspatterns.com/p2082.html

    there seemed to be a couple versions with letter spacing from edge and designers initials (or lack of)
    link to Heritage version of one like yours

    the 5 J-2116s that Heritage has sold have all been certified by NGC, although there may be many willing to buy it raw on the boards.

    hope this helps with your search for info
  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,270 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks good to me. I'd also bet that it is one of the pieces struck by a private firm from US Mint dies. (The luster and strike are weaker than on the pieces made at the US Mint, and consistent with some of the privately struck pieces.) And I suspect it was struck overseas and found its way back here, just because it reminds me of another coin that turned up in Brussels.
    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,270 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You mention that PCGS will not certify it - I am assuming you called their customer service, and they told you so

    AFAIK, PCGS will not certify any of the Martha Washington patterns. However, NGC will.
    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • CalebCaleb Posts: 739


    << <i>Please let me know who can take care of this, as this is outside my scope of my collecting habits. I was told PCGS does not authenticate/grade these (across the street might?). I would love to find out, but it just has not been a priority....Chris >>



    Send FredWeinberg a "PM" - If anyone can get PCGS to athenicate and grade a coin of this nature he might be able to help you out ( for a reasonable fee image )
  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,837 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's not an error - and Mr. Eureka has it right.

    It's a modern "Martha Washington" test token;
    they were still being struck from about 1999 to
    just a few years ago.

    I'm certain PCGS will slab it with a Judd Number -
    I have two or three BU AND Proof's struck on
    Manganese Dollar planchets in stock, and two
    each Martha Quarters and Halves that have been
    Waffled (from the Denver Mint !) that only ANACS
    would slab.

    Submitt it, but not under the mint error tier.
    Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors
    for PCGS. A 49+-Year PNG Member...A full numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022
  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,668 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I missed this thread twice!!

    If it is a '65 version there are numerous possibilities as to the composition since they tried many. I don't
    believe any of these have turned up except for cu/ ni clad copper.
    Tempus fugit.

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