Heritage first win ~ PO'd
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I received my first Heritage auction win in the mail yesterday. I won 2 - 1881cc unopen GSA's.
I opened the shipping box both are in a sturdy zip lock plastic bag with auction lot sticker information.
I opened the bag to inspect my winnings. Here's what got me REALLY PO'd!
Some one put 2 small paper stickers(the cheap impossible to remove) on back of my unopen GSA's!!!
One reads DO NOT open in English & Spanish. The other lot # 1/2 & 2/2. Now to me the stickers are devaluing my purchase.
Heritage should know better IMHO.
I opened the shipping box both are in a sturdy zip lock plastic bag with auction lot sticker information.
I opened the bag to inspect my winnings. Here's what got me REALLY PO'd!
Some one put 2 small paper stickers(the cheap impossible to remove) on back of my unopen GSA's!!!
One reads DO NOT open in English & Spanish. The other lot # 1/2 & 2/2. Now to me the stickers are devaluing my purchase.
Heritage should know better IMHO.
Avid collector of GSA's.
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Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
<< <i>You have to call them about this! MJ >>
I did with in seconds of seeing stickers! Then some dude named Bob told me "well now they have a Heritage linage" or something to that affect- I told him BS!
<< <i>I did with in seconds of seeing stickers! Then some dude named Bob told me "well now they have a Heritage linage" or something to that affect- I told him BS! >>
Sounds like an ass. Anywhey... Remove the stickers, then spray a paper towel with WD-40 (just small amount will do). Rub the area with residue and it will loosen fairly quickly. They irritate me too, but I'd have been far more irritated by the clearly antagonistic attitude of the guy on the other end of the telephone.
<< <i>... Remove the stickers, then spray a paper towel with WD-40 (just small amount will do). Rub the area with residue and it will loosen fairly quickly. They irritate me too, but I'd have been far more irritated by the clearly antagonistic attitude of the guy on the other end of the telephone. >>
I would be worried that removing the stickers would tear the cardboard packages underneath. Be careful if you try this.
I agree that the attitude would be really irritating.
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I would be worried that removing the stickers would tear the cardboard packages underneath. Be careful if you try this. >>
Exactly, we are talking about box's made in 1973 -80. When you buy a pristine item that's what you expect to get.
<< <i>Learning What to buy and what not to at auction is an important part of our hobby. For common things like GSA's where little things add up to make all the difference a in hand inspection is a must >>
Every thing is great except the careless applying of the stickers. I live in Alabama was not able or even considered attending the auction.
Very sorry for the bad suggestion and very happy you were knowledgeable enough not to dive into it blindly.
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<< <i>Learning What to buy and what not to at auction is an important part of our hobby. For common things like GSA's where little things add up to make all the difference a in hand inspection is a must >>
Every thing is great except the careless applying of the stickers. I live in Alabama was not able or even considered attending the auction. >>
Since Bob is so proud of his Heritage stickers I would send the GSA's back to him. I might even put a Roll Tide sticker on them. MJ
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Just place the address labels and stamps right on the box. Bob wont mind - it adds USPS and GSAfan linage
Use Goo-Gone on the sticker. I have used it thousands of times on everything.
It will remove any kinds of stickers from any kind of surface and won't hurt the surface.
You have to let it soak into the sticker so it will peel off. Any glue residue left just wipe
gently with Goo-Gone on a cloth. Use a very soft cloth. If there is a stain it will
evaporate and you'll never know the sticker was there.
Do Not Open > No Abra
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<< <i>I did with in seconds of seeing stickers! Then some dude named Bob told me "well now they have a Heritage linage" or something to that affect- I told him BS! >>
Sounds like an ass. Anywhey... Remove the stickers, then spray a paper towel with WD-40 (just small amount will do). Rub the area with residue and it will loosen fairly quickly. They irritate me too, but I'd have been far more irritated by the clearly antagonistic attitude of the guy on the other end of the telephone. >>
Cant do this on a cardboard box. Real bad idea.
<< <i>I can relate to your disappointment with the stickers ruining the esthetics of the box, but I can’t relate the concept of collecting boxes with coins in them that you will never see. That makes no sense to me at all. >>
I totally get it. I collect vintage sports cards. Along the way I bought unopened boxes and packs which are getting rarer by the day as folks crack them open looking for Mantle's, May's and Aaron's. Everyday they become rarer. The number is finite. I own plenty of "opened' material which keeps me satisfied. I know the OP has a wonderful collection of GSA related opened material. The unopened stuff is a sidebar to the collection. MJ
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
"Everything is on its way to somewhere. Everything." - George Malley, Phenomenon
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Eric
<< <i>Try placing the GSA cardboard shipping box under a high wattage incandescent lamp ( 100 Watt max.) so that the stickers are directly under the bulb. A short exposure to the heat of the light bulb should soften the sticker adhesive enough for them to peel off with out delaminating the cardboard. The only drawback - might be a slight stain on the white laminate from the adhesive. I've done this successfully with Priority Mail boxes to remove postal validation labels and adhesive backed shipping labels. >>
Yep....you could also use a hair dryer and concentrate it on that area to heat up the stickers and glue and get them off that way. Patience will help when doing it.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
O My, WD-40 Light Blub Harsh chemicals and heat are not friends of a cardboard box.
Stains Stains Stains
Might as well use Brake Clean or Gasoline. Now they will get that sticker off No Doubt.
Once More. If you want to remove an adhesive sticker from any kind of surface and leave the surface like new
<< <i>O My, WD-40 Light Blub Harsh chemicals and heat are not friends of a cardboard box.
Stains Stains Stains
Might as well use Brake Clean or Gasoline. Now they will get that sticker off No Doubt.
Once More. If you want to remove an adhesive sticker from any kind of surface and leave the surface like new
Goo Gone has harsh chemical in it too...
gsa1fan just saturate the labels with Mineral Oil.
Best,
Eric
Bochiman, Tiny and Broadstruck are on the money here!
Read a semi related post I made in the vintage sports card forum. This excerpt is down on the page:
<<Will do Doug. I have to decide when, IF and to who whom first. The biggest reason I had to crack this was that some foreign sustance got on the slab. I used Goo Gone and other methods to try to get it off. It only got worse and it spread to the back of the holder. I finally "pulled" off the gunk with packing tape. However, the holder was less then perfect at that point. Actually it was ugly.The whole ordeal was a pain in the a$$ and it took up an entire weekend. I was then left with a Mays in mucked up undesirable holder. My choice was made for me. Free Willie must happen. One of my favorite cards will remain naked or he may take a trip to the Jersey Shore or to catch some tasty waves outside of San Diego.>>
Here is the entire thread with pic's. This lesson cost me a few thousand dollars. I didn't know the composition of the foreign material and Goo Gone which used to be my best friend turned out to be my worst enemy
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
<< <i>I would send them back or strongly advise on leaving them as is unless you are prepared to open them if one of these adhesive removing suggestions fails.
Read a related post I made in the vintage sports card forum. This excerpt is down on the page:
<<Will do Doug. I have to decide when, IF and to who whom first. The biggest reason I had to crack this was that some foreign sustance got on the slab. I used Goo Gone and other methods to try to get it off. It only got worse and it spread to the back of the holder. I finally "pulled" off the gunk with packing tape. However, the holder was less then perfect at that point. Actually it was ugly.The whole ordeal was a pain in the a$$ and it took up an entire weekend. I was then left with a Mays in mucked up undesirable holder. My choice was made for me. Free Willie must happen. One of my favorite cards will remain naked or he may take a trip to the Jersey Shore or to catch some tasty waves outside of San Diego.>>
Here is the entire thread with pic's. This lesson cost me a few thousand dollars. I didn't know the composition of the foreign material and Goo Gone which used to be my best friend turned out to be my worst enemy >>
OMG!
Rea search is indeed your friend and I have learned (not by practice I am happy to say), as I bet Justacommeman has, that stuff is generally best left alone.
Eric
Kidding.
Sorry about your hassle. Those stickers will be next to impossible to remove without a telltale sign of your work.
I'd be PO'd too.
If you come up with a method that works please let us know.
peacockcoins
<< <i>That was a stupid careless act on their part and you are justified in your anger. Far further up the Heritage food chain is someone who will be happy to work with you. Keep calling........ >>
Yes, no excuse and you deserve to get it corrected. I picked up an item won at one of their auctions and the person packing the boxes for shipping was a kid. Not saying they can't get it right, but management should be aware. I would call and ask to speak to the person in charge of the auction - to return it for either complete removal of stickers, a replacement or a full refund.
<< <i>Go right to the top, call Greggie! >>
He have a last name? I will not attempt to remove the stickers myself. I just wanted to see if my anger was justified.
Personally I feel like my winning's where defaced. Like putting a paper sticker on a Reggie Jackson rookie card. Maybe not that harsh but only example I can think of
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<< <i>Go right to the top, call Greggie! >>
He have a last name? I will not attempt to remove the stickers myself. I just wanted to see if my anger was justified.
Personally I feel like my winning's where defaced. Like putting a paper sticker on a Reggie Jackson rookie card. Maybe not that harsh but only example I can think of
Greg Rohan, he da man what can get stuff done. El Presidente!
Some examples:
-Rubber-banding multiple larger and smaller holders together for shipping. Result: Many scratches on the holders during transit. Solution: Put a 1 cent piece of plastic/bubble wrap/craft paper between the mismatched holders.
-Stuffing 5-6 coins into a Priority Mail flat rate envelop. Result: Envelop gets destroyed by USPS and contents lost. Solution: Use a box rather than an envelop.
-Stickers on top of holograms (as previously mentioned). Result: Hologram comes off when removing sticker. Solution: Place the sticker elsewhere on the slab.
You would really think some of this stuff is common sense, but apparently not.
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<< <i>Go right to the top, call Greggie! >>
He have a last name? I will not attempt to remove the stickers myself. I just wanted to see if my anger was justified.
Personally I feel like my winning's where defaced. Like putting a paper sticker on a Reggie Jackson rookie card. Maybe not that harsh but only example I can think of
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<< <i>I have nothing but praises for Heritage. That being said, your winning lot was for the original shipping packageing plus the holder and coin inside. The sticker problem is the equivilent of putting a sticker on a painting to create a lot, thus defacing the art. I'm sure they will work with you to make ammends. >>
I just got off the phone they offered a full refund or $100 future purchase coupon.
Also, made note of all future handling policies concerning this type lot(we will see
<< <i>I received my first Heritage auction win in the mail yesterday. I won 2 - 1881cc unopen GSA's.
I opened the shipping box both are in a sturdy zip lock plastic bag with auction lot sticker information.
I opened the bag to inspect my winnings. Here's what got me REALLY PO'd!
Some one put 2 small paper stickers(the cheap impossible to remove) on back of my unopen GSA's!!!
One reads DO NOT open in English & Spanish. The other lot # 1/2 & 2/2. Now to me the stickers are devaluing my purchase.
Heritage should know better IMHO. >>
I understand your angst here... but that said... is this really that big a deal?
I'd keep the coins and take the $100 coupon. Call me unsophisticated if you will but I just don't see this as a massively huge hairy deal, at least not enough to be this PO'd about. The coins are still unopened, and anyone knowledgeable would know that if/when you ever went to sell them. Don't get me wrong; from a collecting standpoint I understand wanting pristine boxes, etc....but let's examine the worst case scenario here (which, frankly, you don't know will happen- the stickers could come off clean for all you know)...at worst you'll still have original unopened 81-CC GSAs with either a couple of small stickers on the outer shipping box, or a small area of either retained paper or paper loss. Either way, not that big a deal in the grand scheme of things, certainly not something that will devalue the item. With or without stickers, they are still unopened GSA pieces. JMHO
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Not exactly. Most paintings of interest bear several auction stamps, but in ink and on the reverse of the linen, along with signatures, numbers, makers marks and other information, all of which is desirable and useful as a small part of the authentication. It is so useful it is recorded before a canvas is relined. It is interesting to note you could buy prestretched preprimed canvas in the 1650's. Rembrandt used (cheap) stock materials for many of his paintings. Sometimes some of this data is written directly on the stretcher. Besides, any decent oil painting will have a varnish covered by a wax coat finish so a sticker would not be a problem.
I understand not wanting this sticker and I would take the offered return, I see the sticker as akin to a small but distracting scratch - you will always see it and it just gets worse, no matter the price.
Best,
Eric
Thanks to all for the tips on sticker removal! The sharing of knowledge/tricks is what makes this forum ~ GREAT! Peace, Tim
Was an apology offered for the run around?
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<< <i>Best way to remove the stickers without damage (if possible): Heat up the stickers with hair dryer on "high" prior to and during attempted removal. This works well for books. >>
No matter what you do to remove the sticker, there will be evidence of damage on the original box in the form of a discoloration or change in the texture of the cardboard. Some people care about the original government packaging while others don't care. In any event, you are lucky the geniuses at Heritage didn't write on the box with a pen like I've seen some dealers do.
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