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segojasegoja Posts: 6,112 ✭✭✭✭
1970-S Lincoln Small Date PCGS PR68CAM (worth about $500)

1970-S Lincoln Large Date PCGS PR68DCAM (worth about $100)

I think they are different, but E-Bay says they are identical and won't allow me to sell both at the same time. Called and talked to 3 people and they say they fall under the duplicate listing policy because they are similar enough that it might be confusing to the casual E-Bay buyer. Maybe that's the real issue, buyers are stupid and can't figure it out.

I also pointed out the fake Indian Cent, but the person immediately washed their hands of that saying it wasn't their concern.

I think these guys are getting more and more abusive to sellers.
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    airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 21,910 ✭✭✭✭✭
    How are you trying to list these such that duplicates get bounced?
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    AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,544 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Jim, do you have only one ebay account? I have two and each has a different CC attached.

    Ebay does allow at least two that I know of and you could list one in A and the second in B?

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    lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,887 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't understand the problem. Something is not right. Can you elaborate?
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    segojasegoja Posts: 6,112 ✭✭✭✭
    I'm listing them buy doing sell similar, then changing all the details pics, p[rices etc. This is how I list most of my items. Never had this happen before.
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    airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 21,910 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Why not you just create two separate listings independently of each other? Yes, eBay is stupid, but it shouldn't take too long to fill in the item details (and you can copy the description from one to the other and make the appropriate changes).
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    LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Revere the wording in the titles your being caught by a program bot.
    Or if one has any tone put ~Toned~ in it's title, and make the other ~Bright~.

    Like you said you have make sure the children realize it is different coins.
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    BarryBarry Posts: 10,100 ✭✭✭
    You can't fight stupid. Is it that a big deal to list the second coin a few days later or after the first auction ends?
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    segojasegoja Posts: 6,112 ✭✭✭✭
    I'll call my rep tomorrow and try to get a better explanation.

    The way I here E-Bay talking I can only list one 1970 Cent at a time, no matter what. Seems odd. I appear to be able to list multiple 2012 Silver Eagles with different grades, but I can't list cent's of the same date. I guess they view a Deep Cameo the same as a Cameo

    Their loss at this point
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    derrybderryb Posts: 36,215 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ebay will not allow duplicate buy it now listings. They want one listing with multiple quantity if listed as a BIN. In the OP's case I would list the two coins as a set in a single BIN listing or list them seperately in auction style (start them at your BIN price). Ebay of course is wrong to consider these two items as the same.

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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 43,858 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have an idea but won't go public with it until after the election.
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    mrpotatoheaddmrpotatoheadd Posts: 7,576 ✭✭
    This is just the sort of thing you can expect as long as people keep insisting that eBay *Do Something* to protect innocent buyers from- well, stuff.
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    derrybderryb Posts: 36,215 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I believe it is an effort to prevent clogging up searches. Before the policy I remember a seller who would take advantage of "free listings" and list hundreds of the same presidential dollar. What a nightmare searching presidential dollar listings.

    I prefer their "no duplicate BIN listings." Unfortunate that they incorrectly see the OPs listings as duplicates. The same year, TPG and grade don't help. If the lables don't specifiy "large" and "small" date, then I can see ebay's point; if they do, then ebay is wrong.

    The problem with combining similar graded coins in a single listing is that it causes one to violate ebay's other policy requiring an actual picture and certification number of each coin. Maybe the OP can use this to get two seperate BIN listings approved. The fact that graded coins have unique serial numbers prevents them from being identical.

    I have forwarded a suggestion to my ebay rep that they treat graded coins with a unique serial number as not being similar items.

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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 43,858 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No two snowballs are the same.
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>No two snowballs are the same. >>



    Nor are the two sides of coins....image Cheers, RickO
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    19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,475 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I'll call my rep tomorrow and try to get a better explanation.

    The way I here E-Bay talking I can only list one 1970 Cent at a time, no matter what. Seems odd. I appear to be able to list multiple 2012 Silver Eagles with different grades, but I can't list cent's of the same date. I guess they view a Deep Cameo the same as a Cameo

    Their loss at this point >>

    I really do not understand James since just last week I listed two 1964-D Washington Quarters as Buy It Nows using "Sell Similar" to list both?

    Not only that but eBay encourages folks to open eBay Stores and are they really too expect that a coin dealer doesnot have more than 1 of a particular coin to sell?

    I just do not understand. image
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    mrpotatoheaddmrpotatoheadd Posts: 7,576 ✭✭


    << <i>I just do not understand. image >>

    It's simple. People complained because they didn't like seeing multiples of the same item from one seller when they searched for stuff, so eBay did something about it.
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    derrybderryb Posts: 36,215 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I'll call my rep tomorrow and try to get a better explanation.

    The way I here E-Bay talking I can only list one 1970 Cent at a time, no matter what. Seems odd. I appear to be able to list multiple 2012 Silver Eagles with different grades, but I can't list cent's of the same date. I guess they view a Deep Cameo the same as a Cameo

    Their loss at this point >>

    I really do not understand James since just last week I listed two 1964-D Washington Quarters as Buy It Nows using "Sell Similar" to list both?

    Not only that but eBay encourages folks to open eBay Stores and are they really too expect that a coin dealer doesnot have more than 1 of a particular coin to sell?

    I just do not understand. image >>


    They probably took action with James because someone reported the violation. In your case it probably was not reported. Unless of course they have now tweeked their "list your item" to automatically screen for similar items when trying to list.

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    LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>They probably took action with James because someone reported the violation. In your case it probably was not reported. Unless of course they have now tweeked their "list your item" to automatically screen for similar items when trying to list. >>



    They have I inadvertently listed the same item twice a couple of weeks ago and got a big red letter warning when I hit submit your listing.



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    19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,475 ✭✭✭✭
    OK. So what being said here is that I cannot list two separate listings for two separate 1971-S Eisenhower Proof coins as Buy It Nows?
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



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    derrybderryb Posts: 36,215 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>OK. So what being said here is that I cannot list two separate listings for two separate 1971-S Eisenhower Proof coins as Buy It Nows? >>


    If they have the same grade, otherwise they are not similar items. That seems to be their current policy, but I'll be danged if I can find it on their site.

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    illini420illini420 Posts: 11,466 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I just listed 2 graded 25th anniversary sets yesterday as buy it now listings, same title, same price, same description, just different pics. Got posted w/ any issues. Didn't know they tried to keep you from listing identical items, seems odd they would try to stop you from listing more.

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    airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 21,910 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Can you put in item specifics with the grade? Perhaps if those are different it will trigger something.
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    << <i>This is just the sort of thing you can expect as long as people keep insisting that eBay *Do Something* to protect innocent buyers from- well, stuff. >>



    There was a legitimate problem with identical listings back in the days when a single sellers listing for the same item at the same price would encompass an entire page or more of search results. As usual though Ebay chose to kill a fly with a dumb bomb instead of a flyswatter.
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    segojasegoja Posts: 6,112 ✭✭✭✭
    The listing in question was boomed within 5 minutes of it being posted.

    No way someone complained and they acted that fast on a Sunday morning.

    Had to be a bot program.

    But the question still lingers, can you list 2 similar coins with different grades. These 2 coins had different grades as well. If that's true, then you have an Ike in PR68 and one in PR69 and you can't list them both??? Sure seems odd to me.
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    davewesendavewesen Posts: 5,864 ✭✭✭✭✭
    stock photos or did you type in the cert numbers and have pic of coins listed?
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    braddickbraddick Posts: 23,133 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>1970-S Lincoln Small Date PCGS PR68CAM (worth about $500)

    1970-S Lincoln Large Date PCGS PR68DCAM (worth about $100)

    I think they are different, but E-Bay says they are identical and won't allow me to sell both at the same time. Called and talked to 3 people and they say they fall under the duplicate listing policy because they are similar enough that it might be confusing to the casual E-Bay buyer. Maybe that's the real issue, buyers are stupid and can't figure it out.

    I also pointed out the fake Indian Cent, but the person immediately washed their hands of that saying it wasn't their concern.

    I think these guys are getting more and more abusive to sellers. >>



    Market them together at $750. Problem solved and extra profit to you!

    peacockcoins

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    segojasegoja Posts: 6,112 ✭✭✭✭
    Coins had their own separate photos with clearly different labels and cert #'s.

    As we all know PCGS says small date and large date on the label itself.
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    derrybderryb Posts: 36,215 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Found this in their latest seller update:

    "Removing more duplicate listings. Now Auction-style listings with the Buy It Now option will be considered duplicates to Fixed Price listings or to other Auction-style listings with the Buy It Now option for identical items. Also, sellers shouldn't list duplicate Auction-style listings, as duplicate Auction-style listings may be removed. Only items that do well when sold in an Auction-style format—hard-to-find or high-demand items, for example—and sell nearly 100% of the time should be listed in duplicate. If you're unsure of how your items will sell, create one listing at a time."

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    JohnMabenJohnMaben Posts: 957 ✭✭✭
    In a way, this reminds me of my recent experience with Amos (CW). I believe there is a disconnect between the upper level and lower level managers at eBay. Amos has taken the necessary action to fix that problem and is positioning themselves well for the future. They get it. I see the same thing at eBay but more exaggerated because of their size. The guys out there soliciting our hobby/business to do more business on eBay understand changes are needed but the guys minding the store are programmed to follow protocol and aren't willing to act on common sense perhaps for fear that breaking protocol could cost them a demotion of some kind, or perhaps because they simply are not given that authority.

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    COALPORTERCOALPORTER Posts: 2,900 ✭✭


    << <i>OK. So what being said here is that I cannot list two separate listings for two separate 1971-S Eisenhower Proof coins as Buy It Nows? >>



    Right, you can list them seperate for AUCTION format, but not for fixed price buy-it-now. Why?? Stupid rule i quess!

    (sometimes it is funny to see a bunch of bidders for a single item , and if they would only scroll down the screen, they would find another one with zero bidders?!)

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