Brown's Boxing Cards: Holyfield, Lewis and Mayweather. These cards are awesome!!!
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I have had my eye on these cards for a while and broke down and bought all three. These cards in hand are very cool! I love these smaller printed issues and these certainly were.
These have yet to be chased and have very low pop totals and the cards seem to be very rare.
The 1986 Evander Holyfield has a total of 18 cards graded with only six PSA 9's and no PSA 10's. This is his true rookie card and I think the boxing market is getting stronger and there are collectors chasing a Hall of Fame registry set and this could be a key card. Here are the scans. I love how simple this card is.
The 1992 Lennox Lewis card features him as a young 27 year old rising star and is the European Champ. This is a great looking card and a nice head shot of the future champ. I really like the design of this card front and back. There are only two of these cards graded with one PSA 8 and one PSA 9. I like this scenario.
The 1997 Floyd Mayweather card is sweet!!! He is just 20 years old in this photo and on his way to being a champion. If he faces Manny Pacquiao and beats him this card will skyrocket! This is a Pop 5 with one PSA 8, two PSA 9's, and two PSA 10's. This is going to be a must have for a Hall of Fame PSA Registry set.
These have yet to be chased and have very low pop totals and the cards seem to be very rare.
The 1986 Evander Holyfield has a total of 18 cards graded with only six PSA 9's and no PSA 10's. This is his true rookie card and I think the boxing market is getting stronger and there are collectors chasing a Hall of Fame registry set and this could be a key card. Here are the scans. I love how simple this card is.
The 1992 Lennox Lewis card features him as a young 27 year old rising star and is the European Champ. This is a great looking card and a nice head shot of the future champ. I really like the design of this card front and back. There are only two of these cards graded with one PSA 8 and one PSA 9. I like this scenario.
The 1997 Floyd Mayweather card is sweet!!! He is just 20 years old in this photo and on his way to being a champion. If he faces Manny Pacquiao and beats him this card will skyrocket! This is a Pop 5 with one PSA 8, two PSA 9's, and two PSA 10's. This is going to be a must have for a Hall of Fame PSA Registry set.
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Jeff
The Holyfield has terrible centering as you can see so a Gem Mint could go nuts.
The Lewis has a smudge at the bottom which makes it tough for sure and a high grade card would certainly garner some interest.
Floyd Mayweather is still on top and a current fight as I said before brings him to the mainstream again. This is a very cool card of him at 20 years old.
John if you are reading please post a pic. Would like to see it.
<< <i>I love those! Does PSA grade them? >>
I obviously need to pay more attention to the text. Regardless, great pickups, D!
Jeff
<< <i>Found John's Mayweather in his thread. It is definitely a beauty..
That card is money!
Boxing has the diehard fans. Casual people don't watch it. In the 1970's, I can remember watching tons of fights with my dad on FREE television. There was a championship fight on almost every Saturday or Sunday. The average working man got to see people like Little Red Lopez, Roberto Duran, Wilfred Benitez, Marvin Hagler, and Muhammad Ali for free on a regular basis. Now, championship fights almost never air on network television. They are Pay per view. If boxing wants to be big again, they need to follow the UFC's lead. Put the best guys on television (either network or basic cable) so that the masses can see them and become familiar with them. Then show some FREE big fights. But boxing would rather have four different organizations each have a champion and dilute the pool and have a product that loses market share every year. It's about as big as horseracing.
So, will there be an interest in guys like Holyfield in ten to twenty years if boxing is dead or on life support?
Maybe.
<< <i>I hope you are right, but I don't know. Boxing is not doing well. Go back 20-30 years and the average sports fan could DEFINITELY tell you the heavyweight champ, and probably rattle off 2-5 other champions from other weight classes. I would guess that if you polled 100 sports fans at a sports bar and asked them to give you that information, no more than one or two could do it. People know Manny and Mayweather. Maybe the Klitschko brothers? I would venture to say that if you just said "Who is the Heavyweight Champion?" and didn't specify boxing, more people would give you the WWE or UFC champion than boxing, by a large margin.
Boxing has the diehard fans. Casual people don't watch it. In the 1970's, I can remember watching tons of fights with my dad on FREE television. There was a championship fight on almost every Saturday or Sunday. The average working man got to see people like Little Red Lopez, Roberto Duran, Wilfred Benitez, Marvin Hagler, and Muhammad Ali for free on a regular basis. Now, championship fights almost never air on network television. They are Pay per view. If boxing wants to be big again, they need to follow the UFC's lead. Put the best guys on television (either network or basic cable) so that the masses can see them and become familiar with them. Then show some FREE big fights. But boxing would rather have four different organizations each have a champion and dilute the pool and have a product that loses market share every year. It's about as big as horseracing.
So, will there be an interest in guys like Holyfield in ten to twenty years if boxing is dead or on life support?
Maybe. >>
Boxing may not have the popularity it once had, but it is far from dead. The lack of any good American heavyweights is hurting the sport, but the welterweight through super middleweight classes are doing well. There are plenty of fights shown on basic HBO, Showtime, and ESPN. There are only about 5 boxers that are PPV stars, and even then anyone not named Manny or Floyd can been seen on HBO or Showtime on occassion. Even back in the 1980's, all of the big fights were on close circuit and not free TV.
The Hispanics are huge boxing fans and the sport will grow as they become a large percentage of the population. Maybe that will convince one of the networks to put a title fight on prime time.
Hook'em
PSA 9 Mayweather
Mayweather on EBAY
I am going to send mine in tomorrow with some other cards and see what happens. I still think this card has a lot of potential and a great boxing card to own.
Jeff
-You have a diluted product.
-Increase in competition among the fight crowd (UFC).
-I think boxing was at it's most popular with great personalities. Boxing thrives on personalities. Muhammed Ali, Tyson. Look at De La Hoya's success. We're definitely at a low point in the boxing cycle.
-I think the guys from the 80's or early 90's were more relatable to the average fan. Sugar Ray Leonard. Duran. They seemed to have come from working class backgrounds and moved up the ranks.
I think boxing is so splintered now, its harder to follow a guys career.
and Dpeck - you know the Tyson's there!
Browns Boxing Mayweather on EBAY ends tonight
I am interested to see if we get some late action on this auction.
Also, the odds of anyone getting 100% completion are going to be tough. There are maybe 3 Fitzsimmons cards in existence, and an equal number found of the Archie Moore.
Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
Jeff
I think that some collectors generally just hate the oversize cards. I believe most collectors would prefer to have the 1982 Panini's of Larry Holmes and Sugar Ray Leonard. Those are tough calls as the desirability of Sportscasters is uneven at best.
I think this is great for boxing collectors to attempt. I started a set of 19th century wrestlers and it is a lot of fun. I do not know if anyone else will attempt to do what I am doing but at least it is out there for all to see and increase visibility to the cards of a non-typical collecting sport.
Good luck!
Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
1) Card demand and proximity to true RC. This was perhaps the biggest sticking point, as many felt that if we were going to make a RC list, then the RC is the RC, no exceptions. However, several couldn't make the list then because of logistics (early Exhibit cards). This is also why the 1920 Dempsey was chosen over the 1922, and the Sugar Ray Robinson was picked. However, as you rightly note it might not be the most popular of the player's 'rookie' cards - and some true RCs are near-impossible. Made some judgement calls, but happy to entertain considerations.
2) Variety. Given the much more international nature of boxing, we tried to make a list that was not only accurate, but also illustrated how many different types of card issues there were out there. Swedish, Argentinian, Italian, UK, and USA releases are included among others. There are cards from classic sets (A&G, 1948 Leaf, 1951 Ringside), random one-offs that seem to be extremely popular now (the Hemmets Ali), as well as the more traditional Panini and Browns singles. This is why the Sportscaster Leonard was included. I'm happy to also consider the Holmes sportscaster, especially as there is a lot of Panini representation already - although demand for the Panini is certainly greater.
3) Fun. As the first of its kind, we wanted to make a list that people would enjoy collecting. In that sense, the first 25% or so are easy, the middle 50% are trickier but attainable, and the last 25% are for the hardcore. We wanted to make some challenging and some on the easier side (where applicable) to perhaps generate some new interest in a sport where prices are still depressed maybe 40-50% from 5 years ago, even on the pre-1950 stuff. Right now, boxing is cheap.
Hope this clears it up a bit!
I only have an interest in a few of the modern cards but I have to think this will increase interest in the genre and could drive prices higher for many boxing cards.
This is certainly not bad news for my Tyson collection!
<< <i>Hey Eagles. You touch upon a number of points that we've been debating as well, and they're good ones. Traditionally, boxing card guys have gone for the 'best' card over a RC, for several different reasons. So, when we started working on the list, the goal was first to make one that was acceptable to all, if not perfect to anyone. A few of the key tiebreaker considerations were:
1) Card demand and proximity to true RC. This was perhaps the biggest sticking point, as many felt that if we were going to make a RC list, then the RC is the RC, no exceptions. However, several couldn't make the list then because of logistics (early Exhibit cards). This is also why the 1920 Dempsey was chosen over the 1922, and the Sugar Ray Robinson was picked. However, as you rightly note it might not be the most popular of the player's 'rookie' cards - and some true RCs are near-impossible. Made some judgement calls, but happy to entertain considerations.
2) Variety. Given the much more international nature of boxing, we tried to make a list that was not only accurate, but also illustrated how many different types of card issues there were out there. Swedish, Argentinian, Italian, UK, and USA releases are included among others. There are cards from classic sets (A&G, 1948 Leaf, 1951 Ringside), random one-offs that seem to be extremely popular now (the Hemmets Ali), as well as the more traditional Panini and Browns singles. This is why the Sportscaster Leonard was included. I'm happy to also consider the Holmes sportscaster, especially as there is a lot of Panini representation already - although demand for the Panini is certainly greater.
3) Fun. As the first of its kind, we wanted to make a list that people would enjoy collecting. In that sense, the first 25% or so are easy, the middle 50% are trickier but attainable, and the last 25% are for the hardcore. We wanted to make some challenging and some on the easier side (where applicable) to perhaps generate some new interest in a sport where prices are still depressed maybe 40-50% from 5 years ago, even on the pre-1950 stuff. Right now, boxing is cheap.
Hope this clears it up a bit! >>
While I differ in opinion on a few of the cards selected to represent rookies - I LOVE that you have put this list together. There's a lot of knowledgeable boxing collectors out there - and I'm sure a ton of thought and work went into this list. I'm also very happy several modern fighters (like Tyson) are included, as I feel like modern boxing cards are way under-appreciated. Great work Miklia!
Jeff
This just ended for $200 plus the $19 international shipping cost.
Nice price!
<< <i>PSA 9 Mayweather on EBAY sold
This just ended for $200 plus the $19 international shipping cost.
Nice price! >>
Damn. That card flipped fast. It is the same one that I was the underbidder at $125 a month ago. I was hoping he would put it back up for auction instead of the $279 OBO it was listed at.
2007 Question of Sport
I just did a search before I posted this and here is a link to another card and yes it states it is from 2007. The year on the card I believe is just the trademark date.
This is by no means his rookie card and I would believe that if the market realized it was just a few years old it would carry much less value.
If you are collecting it as another rookie card and do care about the value I would sell it now before more collectors realize the true age of the card.
If you just want to have all of his cards then keep it and just be prepared for the value of it to decline at some point.
Always looking to buy or trade for Andre the Giant autographs
psacard.com/psasetregistry/non-sports/famous-personage/andre-giant-master-set/alltimeset/180400
Here is the card from the first post.