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Possible silver 1943 cent

Everyone,

New member/poster.

I have a coin that I put away many, many years ago when I was a lot younger. I knew/thought at that time that it was different/unique as a 15 old would.

A little background. About five years ago I sent these images to a coin dealer asking for help. The help I got was in retrospect suspect. They offered to take it off my hands for if I remember correctly around $25.

So this is what I think I have, a 1943 cent on a dime planchet. The weight of the coin is 2.4 grams (from a local jeweler). It is not attracted to a magnet.

Opinion to if I’m correct?

Suggestions on what I should do. And can you guess a value?

Thanks,

HAWKEYES

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,715 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The weight and weak strike are about right for a cent struck on a silver dime planchet. THe color in the picture is way off, but I am simply going to assume that you do not do much coin photography. Color balance can be very tricky.

    The Redbook Professional Edition prices these (retail) at $3,000 in AU. It does not price them any lower. You should get it certified.

    Do not clean it.

    TD
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  • ClosedLoopClosedLoop Posts: 1,077 ✭✭✭
    what he said, very cool coin. good luck and welcome.
    figglehorn
  • rheddenrhedden Posts: 6,632 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am not an error expert, but I would get that certified if I were you. It looks like it could be the real thing. Please don't walk into a local coin dealer's shop and sell it for $25. Good decision there. If real, it needs to be sent to an auction house that can extract the maximum value for it.

  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,432 ✭✭✭
    1943 not attacked to copper is sweet
    certify it to make sure its not counterfeit...i tend to think this 43 cent is one forgers have tried to master forever in that reguard
    congrats and welcome
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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,794 ✭✭✭✭✭
    do not clean it, and only handle it by the edges.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,824 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Counterfeit dies to strike 1943 cents are one of the easier dies to produce since 1943 cents are steel and they can be hardened and then used as hubs to create the production dies.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,794 ✭✭✭✭✭
    so it really needs to be certified.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,824 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>so it really needs to be certified. >>



    Exactly! Until it's slabbed to document that it's been authenticated by a recognized organization/authority it will be difficult to sell in the coin marketplace.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
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  • astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Welcome!

    Very interesting. Send the coin to PCGS and have it certified. It will be expensive, but worth it once it is authenticated. If you are able to make it to a major show, show it to Fred Weinberg (fredweinberg.com) and he will give you a free, honest opinion. You can then likely walk it right over to PCGS and submit it for certification.

    Good luck!
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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Major find if it is authentic... I agree with the recommendations above...
    Just curious, why, if you joined the forum in 2007, is this your first post?? Just shy?? image Anyway, welcome aboard. Cheers, RickO
  • DentuckDentuck Posts: 3,820 ✭✭✭
    Did you find it in change?


  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,929 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Welcome and get it graded by our host!

    bobimageimage
    Registry: CC lowballs (boblindstrom), bobinvegas1989@yahoo.com
  • As the others have said it needs a in hand inspection, That being said, I feel this has a chance to be the real deal. Good luck
    Sunny
  • jonathanbjonathanb Posts: 3,752 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree that the pictures look authentic. I expect that an experienced error collector or dealer would have no problems buying it raw after they've examined it in hand. A caution about pricing, though. I find recent auction records for low-grade pieces (like in the VG-VF range) around $500-$1000. That's nothing to sneeze at, of course. Just don't get your heart set on collecting the $3,000 that another poster mentioned...
  • tahoe98tahoe98 Posts: 11,388 ✭✭✭

    ...authenticate/certify immediately! neat coin! and ummmm, image to the forums!
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,824 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>If you are able to make it to a major show, show it to Fred Weinberg (fredweinberg.com) and he will give you a free, honest opinion. You can then likely walk it right over to PCGS and submit it for certification. >>



    Good advice. Getting it slabbed won't be cheap so letting an expert like Fred check it out first is a good idea.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,194 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>...authenticate/certify immediately! neat coin! and ummmm, image to the forums! >>

    yes indeed and welcome to the forums as well image
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,715 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I agree that the pictures look authentic. I expect that an experienced error collector or dealer would have no problems buying it raw after they've examined it in hand. A caution about pricing, though. I find recent auction records for low-grade pieces (like in the VG-VF range) around $500-$1000. That's nothing to sneeze at, of course. Just don't get your heart set on collecting the $3,000 that another poster mentioned... >>



    As clearly stated, that was a retail catalog value in the lowest grade priced.
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  • Batman23Batman23 Posts: 5,001 ✭✭✭✭✭
    imageimage


    Neat coin!
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,715 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Would 1943 be a much better date to have on a wrong planchet than say 1953, because of the fame of 1943 copper cents? >>



    Yes, because of that, and because it is listed in the Redbook Professional Edition.
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  • Aegis3Aegis3 Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Would 1943 be a much better date to have on a wrong planchet than say 1953, because of the fame of 1943 copper cents? >>



    I view it as more a better date to sell than to have. It's one of the more common silver wheat cents, but also more expensive.
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    Ed. S.

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  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,924 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mornin' - I agree; it looks genuine from the
    scans. F/VF, possibly cleaned.....

    As mentioned earlier, it's probably the most
    common date before 1964, but it brings about
    triple or more the value because it's a '43'.
    Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors for PCGS. A 50+ Year PNG Member.A full-time numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022.
  • stevebensteveben Posts: 4,636 ✭✭✭✭✭
    what were they drinking at the mint in the early forties?
  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,924 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There's so many more 1943 Silver Cents
    than other dates in the 40's for a good reason:

    In a conveyor belt, or group of Steel Cents, the
    Silver one's 'blend in' more than a 1942 Silver
    Cent would in a group of 1942 Copper Cents.

    That's the reason why the 1943 Silver Cent is
    a common date for these off metals - they were
    not as easily seen or picked out by Mint employees
    who were supposed to pluck out the error coins.

    Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors for PCGS. A 50+ Year PNG Member.A full-time numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022.
  • joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 17,492 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Major find if it is authentic... I agree with the recommendations above...
    Just curious, why, if you joined the forum in 2007, is this your first post?? Just shy?? image Anyway, welcome aboard. Cheers, RickO >>

    image Yeah,What a great first post, to open up with! Beauuutiful coin.Thanks for posting,Welcome again! Talk about waiting and putting some thought in your question! 5YEARS? We hope It was worth the wait.image

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  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>There's so many more 1943 Silver Cents
    than other dates in the 40's for a good reason:

    In a conveyor belt, or group of Steel Cents, the
    Silver one's 'blend in' more than a 1942 Silver
    Cent would in a group of 1942 Copper Cents.

    That's the reason why the 1943 Silver Cent is
    a common date for these off metals - they were
    not as easily seen or picked out by Mint employees
    who were supposed to pluck out the error coins. >>



    My thoughts exactly, they do not stand out.
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,715 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>There's so many more 1943 Silver Cents
    than other dates in the 40's for a good reason:

    In a conveyor belt, or group of Steel Cents, the
    Silver one's 'blend in' more than a 1942 Silver
    Cent would in a group of 1942 Copper Cents.

    That's the reason why the 1943 Silver Cent is
    a common date for these off metals - they were
    not as easily seen or picked out by Mint employees
    who were supposed to pluck out the error coins. >>



    Plus, the similar colors made it much easier for the planchets to get confused before the striking process. The cent planchets then would not fit into the dime presses, but the dime planchets would easily feed into a cent press.
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