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  • jwgatorsjwgators Posts: 460 ✭✭
    Adjusted OPS (OPS+) may tell a better story in comparing players across generations.

    Jones - 141
    Schmidt - 147
    Matthews - 143
    Boggs - 131
    Brett - 135
    Santo - 125
    Robinson - 104

    From this it looks like Schmidt was the best hitter, but the numbers are close.
    Joel
  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,804 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Possibly, but this "+" version brings in peoples opinions.

    By the way, here are my guys numbers; obp .376 slg .509 ops .884 ops+ 143.

    I wonder what Killebrew's numbers would have looked like had the Minnesota Twins just left him at third base? He was seriously injured twice playing first base.

    "Killer" has got to be in the top 5. If you like the ops+ he might just be #2! RIP Harmon. #1 as a human being!

    Joe
    2013,14 and 15 Certificate Award Winner Harmon Killebrew Master Set and Master Topps Set
  • TabeTabe Posts: 6,064 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Possibly, but this "+" version brings in peoples opinions.

    By the way, here are my guys numbers; obp .376 slg .509 ops .884 ops+ 143.

    I wonder what Killebrew's numbers would have looked like had the Minnesota Twins just left him at first base? He was seriously injured twice playing first base.

    "Killer" has got to be in the top 5. If you like the ops+ he might just be #2! RIP Harmon. #1 as a human being!

    Joe >>


    Played like 1/3 of his career games at 3B, he doesn't count.

    Tabe
  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,804 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Oops , I miss typed.

    One of the top Sluggers of all time, and because he put the team first, he doesn't count.......................nice.

    That's why I said (well meant to say) WHAT IF he had been left to play third base for his career. I would rank him in the top five of all time at third.

    I guess that makes Killebrew the greatest "all-around" player of all time. He was an All-Star at First, Third and Left Field.

    When looking at Jones' huge drop in advantage when looking at ops vs. ops+, I wonder if that's because he was a switch hitter and got so many at bats batting left handed. If so, seems wrong to count his ability to hit from both sides against him.

    Joe
    2013,14 and 15 Certificate Award Winner Harmon Killebrew Master Set and Master Topps Set
  • estangestang Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭
    HOF for sure. I'd edge George Brett ahead of Chipper... perhaps because he was more popular in the game than Chipper. Brett was one of the main faces in the game for 10 years...
    Enjoy your collection!
    Erik
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