I don't even know why you are asking. If NGC didn't give that coin a star, they should discontinue the star designation all together. That PF Buffalo is spectacular.
Now the question is should a star designation have anything to do with the grade? My opinion is no. Star is for eye appeal and should have nothing to do with grade. Just my opinion.
<< <i>Now the question is should a star designation have anything to do with the grade? My opinion is no. Star is for eye appeal and should have nothing to do with grade. Just my opinion. >>
Agreed....But let me say this, this is one hell of an eye appealing Buff if I've ever seen one!! Superb is the word that comes to mind, WOW!!!!
The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
Looks to be almost a twin to the monster toner on page C-21 of the PCGS price guide. And of that coin PCGS says it has the ultimate look in a proof buffalo nickel. Doesn't get any better than this.
One would be hard pressed to find a more eye appealing proof buffalo nickel....of any date.
Your coin puts other star coins to shame. It's as good as it gets.
Buffnix, I viewed this coin in hand prior to Dick purchasing and there is no question that the toning is real as it has the toning spots on it on the reverse below the buffs head. I know Dick is upset about this coin as not getting the star .... as this coin previous to getting a regrade came out of an older NGC slab and at this time of grading there was NO STAR DESIGNATION for NGC. Believe it or not Both NGC and PCGS awarded the next grade for Eye Appeal. Today this coin in my estimation would be a PF67+ at PCGS Lets hear everyone elses oppinion ...... including David Hall........ Also send this thread over to Mark Salsberg at Ngc and lets hear his oppinion.
I think, from what I've seen, this coin should with no question get a * star *.... I would like to go on to say it's one of the most eye appealing proof buffalo nickel's I've ever seen, At least the obverse is...
The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
<< <i>I think the graders flipped a coin thus: heads "AT" -- tails "star". Lucky for you it came up tails! >>
I beg to differ... The toning is indeed rare rainbow toing, I have a 1957p 5c pcgs65 that is my avatar coin and it is almost Identical toning to the OP coin on the obverse.
Nickel can create some of the most amazing rainbow toned coins under the right conditions.
Definitely star worthy. If the star actually stands for......oh wait....as from NGC's website:
<< NGC assigns a (star) to coins with exceptional eye appeal for their assigned grade.
Eye appeal is the most subjective attribute of a coin, but there are norms and standards shared by numismatists. Exceptional eye appeal may include attributes such as vibrant, colorful toning; intense luster; or, in the case of Proof coins, especially strong cameo contrast. To receive a (star), coins must be free of any obvious planchet irregularities, and display no bothersome spots or blemishes. Toned coins can be of a single color or multicolored but cannot have any areas that are dark brown, approaching black. >>
I think I'm pointing out the obvious but that coin by just about anyone's standards, even if you don't appreciate toned coins, is absolutely beautifully toned. And just a peek at this thread pulls someone in the general direction of the coin's color being universally admired.
There are those that may say that they gave it a bump to a 68 for the color. However, if that is actually the case, that only justifies the coin GETTING a star in the first place for having vibrant, colorful toning. Simple logic.
As I said, PCGS chose to identify an almost identically toned 1936 gem PF buff as the epitome of monster toning/eye appeal. It's probably the most impressive looking coin in the entire PCGS grading and authentication guide. Only the best tuna get selected for Starkist. If it's the best for PCGS....should be a no brainer for NGC.
I still dont understand why you people seem to need a grading service to affix a certain label on a coin to validate your opinion of said coin. Why is that ? If you like the coin isnt that enough?
""Buffnix, I viewed this coin in hand prior to Dick purchasing and there is no question that the toning is real as it has the toning spots on it on the reverse below the buffs head. I know Dick is upset about this coin as not getting the star .... as this coin previous to getting a regrade came out of an older NGC slab and at this time of grading there was NO STAR DESIGNATION for NGC. Believe it or not Both NGC and PCGS awarded the next grade for Eye Appeal. Today this coin in my estimation would be a PF67+ at PCGS Lets hear everyone elses oppinion ...... including David Hall........ Also send this thread over to Mark Salsberg at Ngc and lets hear his oppinion.""
my comments ....... "I know dick is UPSET(?) about this coin as not getting the star". As to this part of the above statement then cannot it just be sent in for "star" review or something? I do not think you should get upset if your coin does not get a STAR! Or if your coin does not get a STAR and a PLUS GRADE! Or, if you expected the plus and did not get that. Just crack er out and resubmit. End of problem. That is part of the process of slabbing a coin. You grade your coin say a 66. It comes back 65+star. What do you do with this bad boy then? Every resubmission entails more fees from the collector. I wonder how many monster 1938-d MS67 buffalo nickels have been sent back to pcgs and ngc in hopes of getting an MS68? And I bet some of the few MS68's have even been sent in hoping for the holy grail -- the first MS69 1938-D buffalo nickel.
Collector of Buffalo Nickels and other 20th century United States Coinage a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"
Nickel can create some of the most amazing rainbow toned coins under the right conditions. >>
Actual that is the 75% copper that is in those coins that makes the color, same as pennies. It can also be processed and treated the same as copper but it is harder to tell on nickels.
<< <i>As I said, PCGS chose to identify an almost identically toned 1936 gem PF buff as the epitome of monster toning/eye appeal. It's probably the most impressive looking coin in the entire PCGS grading and authentication guide. Only the best tuna get selected for Starkist. If it's the best for PCGS....should be a no brainer for NGC. >>
That Buff 5C in p. 21 was said to be AT, or no? Edited to add as long as buyers have eyes this needs no star IMHO0 Just look at it.
since Dr. Seuss would have had his 116th birthday last Friday, I was recalling my favorite of all his writings, "The Sneetches". Here is the first part (with a coin twist)
Now the Star-bellied Sneetches had coins with stars. The Plain-bellied Sneetches had none upon thars. The stars weren't so big; they were really quite small. You would think such a thing wouldn't matter at all. But because they had stars, all the Star-bellied Sneetches would brag, "We're the best kind of Sneetch on the beaches."
With their snoots in the air, they would sniff and they'd snort, " We'll have nothing to do with the plain-coin sort." And whenever they met some, when they were out walking, they'd hike right on past them without even talking.
. . . . it really is a fabulous tail. Look it up and read it from a coin perspective . . . .
I'm sorry, I need to put in these verses as well . . . so appropriate to the converstation :
"Then one day, it seems, while the Plain-"coined" Sneetches were moping, just moping alone on the beaches, sitting there, wishing their "coins" had stars, up zipped a stranger in the strangest of cars. "My friends, " he announced in a voice clear and keen, "My name is Sylvester "NGC" McBean. I've heard of your troubles; I've heard you're unhappy. But I can fix that; I'm the fix-it-up chappie. I've come here to help you; I have what you need. My prices are low, and I work with great speed, and my work is one hundred per cent guaranteed." Then quickly, Sylvester "NGC" McBean put together a very peculiar machine. Then he said, "You want stars like a Star-"coined" Sneetch? My friends, you can have them . . . . for three dollars each. Just hand me your money and climb on aboard." They clambered inside and the big machine roared. It bonked. It clonked. It jerked. It berked. It bopped them around, but the thing really worked. When the Plain-"coined" Sneetches popped out, they had stars! They actually did, they had stars upon thars! "
That Buff 5C in p. 21 (PCGS grading guide) was said to be AT, or no?
The description strongly suggests the coin is NT though neither term (AT or NT) is used. Phrases used include "great eye appeal," "great color," "ultimate look for a proof buff nickel." Those would be odd words to describe an AT coin in anyone's grading guide.
<< <i> That Buff 5C in p. 21 (PCGS grading guide) was said to be AT, or no?
The description strongly suggests the coin is NT though neither term (AT or NT) is used. Phrases used include "great eye appeal," "great color," "ultimate look for a proof buff nickel." Those would be odd words to describe an AT coin in anyone's grading guide. >>
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and held on to it awhile before sending it home...
stunning buff
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<< <i>Better off in a PCGS holder with a cac sticker on it >>
Please not that again. (refering to the cac sticker)
A STAR!
<< <i>Better off in a PCGS holder with a cac sticker on it >>
put me in this...cross that baby for sure crowd too...
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It gets 2 stars from me, one for the Obv. and one for the Rev.
Very nice!
Too many positive BST transactions with too many members to list.
Love the toning
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Love it and I'm seeing stars
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<< <i>Now the question is should a star designation have anything to do with the grade? My opinion is no. Star is for eye appeal and should have nothing to do with grade. Just my opinion. >>
Agreed....But let me say this, this is one hell of an eye appealing Buff if I've ever seen one!! Superb is the word that comes to mind, WOW!!!!
Doesn't get any better than this.
One would be hard pressed to find a more eye appealing proof buffalo nickel....of any date.
Your coin puts other star coins to shame. It's as good as it gets.
a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"
<< <i>I think the graders flipped a coin thus: heads "AT" -- tails "star". Lucky for you it came up tails! >>
I beg to differ... The toning is indeed rare rainbow toing, I have a 1957p 5c pcgs65 that is my avatar coin and it is almost Identical toning to the OP coin on the obverse.
Nickel can create some of the most amazing rainbow toned coins under the right conditions.
rainbowroosie April 1, 2003
<< NGC assigns a (star) to coins with exceptional eye appeal for their assigned grade.
Eye appeal is the most subjective attribute of a coin, but there are norms and standards shared by numismatists. Exceptional eye appeal may include attributes such as vibrant, colorful toning; intense luster; or, in the case of Proof coins, especially strong cameo contrast. To receive a (star), coins must be free of any obvious planchet irregularities, and display no bothersome spots or blemishes. Toned coins can be of a single color or multicolored but cannot have any areas that are dark brown, approaching black. >>
I think I'm pointing out the obvious but that coin by just about anyone's standards, even if you don't appreciate toned coins, is absolutely beautifully toned. And just a peek at this thread pulls someone in the general direction of the coin's color being universally admired.
There are those that may say that they gave it a bump to a 68 for the color. However, if that is actually the case, that only justifies the coin GETTING a star in the first place for having vibrant, colorful toning. Simple logic.
Nuff said.
2. I don't understand stars, never have. If you upgrade a coin for eye appeal, why the need for stars?
3. Love proof buffalos.
"Look up, old boy, and see what you get." -William Bonney.
the entire PCGS grading and authentication guide. Only the best tuna get selected for Starkist. If it's the best for PCGS....should be a no brainer for NGC.
a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"
my comments .......
"I know dick is UPSET(?) about this coin as not getting the star". As to this part of the above statement then cannot it just be sent in for "star" review or something? I do not think you should get upset if your coin does not get a STAR! Or if your coin does not get a STAR and a PLUS GRADE! Or, if you expected the plus and did not get that. Just crack er out and resubmit. End of problem. That is part of the process of slabbing a coin. You grade your coin say a 66. It comes back 65+star. What do you do with this bad boy then? Every resubmission entails more fees from the collector. I wonder how many monster 1938-d MS67 buffalo nickels have been sent back to pcgs and ngc in hopes of getting an MS68? And I bet some of the few MS68's have even been sent in hoping for the holy grail -- the first MS69 1938-D buffalo nickel.
a.k.a "The BUFFINATOR"
<< <i>
Nickel can create some of the most amazing rainbow toned coins under the right conditions. >>
Actual that is the 75% copper that is in those coins that makes the color, same as pennies. It can also be processed and treated the same as copper but it is harder to tell on nickels.
<< <i>As I said, PCGS chose to identify an almost identically toned 1936 gem PF buff as the epitome of monster toning/eye appeal. It's probably the most impressive looking coin in
the entire PCGS grading and authentication guide. Only the best tuna get selected for Starkist. If it's the best for PCGS....should be a no brainer for NGC. >>
That Buff 5C in p. 21 was said to be AT, or no?
Edited to add as long as buyers have eyes this needs no star IMHO0 Just look at it.
Eric
Now the Star-bellied Sneetches had coins with stars.
The Plain-bellied Sneetches had none upon thars.
The stars weren't so big; they were really quite small.
You would think such a thing wouldn't matter at all.
But because they had stars, all the Star-bellied Sneetches
would brag, "We're the best kind of Sneetch on the beaches."
With their snoots in the air, they would sniff and they'd snort, "
We'll have nothing to do with the plain-coin sort."
And whenever they met some, when they were out walking,
they'd hike right on past them without even talking.
. . . . it really is a fabulous tail. Look it up and read it from a coin perspective . . . .
Mark
"Then one day, it seems, while the Plain-"coined" Sneetches
were moping, just moping alone on the beaches,
sitting there, wishing their "coins" had stars,
up zipped a stranger in the strangest of cars.
"My friends, " he announced in a voice clear and keen,
"My name is Sylvester "NGC" McBean.
I've heard of your troubles; I've heard you're unhappy.
But I can fix that; I'm the fix-it-up chappie.
I've come here to help you; I have what you need.
My prices are low, and I work with great speed,
and my work is one hundred per cent guaranteed."
Then quickly, Sylvester "NGC" McBean
put together a very peculiar machine.
Then he said, "You want stars like a Star-"coined" Sneetch?
My friends, you can have them . . . . for three dollars each.
Just hand me your money and climb on aboard."
They clambered inside and the big machine roared.
It bonked. It clonked. It jerked. It berked.
It bopped them around, but the thing really worked.
When the Plain-"coined" Sneetches popped out, they had stars!
They actually did, they had stars upon thars! "
. . . makes me smile . . .
Mark
The description strongly suggests the coin is NT though neither term (AT or NT) is used. Phrases used include "great eye appeal," "great color," "ultimate look for a proof buff nickel."
Those would be odd words to describe an AT coin in anyone's grading guide.
<< <i> That Buff 5C in p. 21 (PCGS grading guide) was said to be AT, or no?
The description strongly suggests the coin is NT though neither term (AT or NT) is used. Phrases used include "great eye appeal," "great color," "ultimate look for a proof buff nickel."
Those would be odd words to describe an AT coin in anyone's grading guide. >>
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I did not mean in the book, I meant on the boards.
Best wishes,
Eric