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OK, say you had a choice between a PCGS coin...

ajmanajman Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭
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that has no CAC sticker and an NGC coin that has a CAC sticker. Both coins are original skin and eye-appealing for the grade with no problems. Also you don't know if the PCGS coin has been submitted or not, which one would you buy, not just as a collector but (gulp! as an investor) also as a possible sale well into the future? For the sake of discussion let's say that there is no dealer submission center close by that could send it in for you, and obviously CAC is not accepting collector memberships right now anyway. Which coin do you choose? In other words, does the PCGS coin still trump the CAC'ed NGC coin?
Beer is Proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy -Benjamin Franklin-

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  • mingotmingot Posts: 1,807 ✭✭✭
    The one I like more.
    Sell me a coin or three!
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Really depends on the two coins in hand via a side by side comparison.
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  • magikbillymagikbilly Posts: 6,780 ✭
    The one that I think is correctly graded per my own mind and experience re eye appeal and all - as said above essentially. Not much else to say.

    Eric
  • TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,854 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The one I like more. >>



    Ditto.

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  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Reminds me of that old joke, You have 2 candidates for a job opening, one gal has a high school diploma and 20 years experience, the other just graduated from Vassar with honors, which do you hire?

    Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry

  • lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,873 ✭✭✭✭✭
    perhaps you meant

    pretend that the same coin is in a

    PCGS
    NGC/CAC

    holder of same grade?

    then I would choose the NGC coin.
    LCoopie = Les
  • ajmanajman Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭
    I agree and just for the record I do not own any CAC coin but would if the opportunity came up. I feel that most of my collection is eye-appealing and if some were submitted to the green bean factory they would have their blessing. I also own an equal amount of PCGS and NGC coins.
    Beer is Proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy -Benjamin Franklin-
  • ajmanajman Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭


    << <i>perhaps you meant

    pretend that the same coin is in a

    PCGS
    NGC/CAC

    holder of same grade?

    then I would choose the NGC coin. >>

    Yes that is what I was trying to say.
    Beer is Proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy -Benjamin Franklin-
  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,816 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I fail to see where the question adds any value or insight to the hobby


    Next...

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  • crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623 ✭


    << <i>The one I like more. >>



    Jackpot
  • lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,873 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>The one I like more. >>



    Jackpot >>



    but it's the same coin
    LCoopie = Les
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,270 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>The one I like more. >>



    Jackpot >>



    but it's the same coin >>



    don't matter, the plastic has a voice too!
    theknowitalltroll;
  • ajmanajman Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I fail to see where the question adds any value or insight to the hobby


    Next... >>

    I'm trying to decide between two coins I have found that I like, one is a PCGS coin with no sticker and the other is stickered from ATS. I was just wondering aloud which one I should buy. It looks as if I will need to keep studying the two to determine which one I like better eye-appeal wise.
    Beer is Proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy -Benjamin Franklin-
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,817 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'd look at the coins and choose the one I like best.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,816 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Buy the coin

    Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.

  • mrpaseomrpaseo Posts: 4,753 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>perhaps you meant

    pretend that the same coin is in a

    PCGS
    NGC/CAC

    holder of same grade?

    then I would choose the NGC coin. >>

    Yes that is what I was trying to say. >>



    I like this answer and the one you got first

    << <i>The one I like more. >>



    We don't know what your intentions are with this coin is.

    1. If this is for your personal collection and intend to keep it for the long term... I would go with

    << <i>The one I like more. >>



    2. If you are considering resale value (And really, who doesn't), then the CAC sticker (As I understand it) is a plus... Assuming the coins "Look" very similar and they are the same grade.

    Just my worthless two cents.
    Ray
  • ajmanajman Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭
    One of the problems that I frequently run into is that one coin's photos are much better than the others, so it makes it more difficult to choose between the two.
    Beer is Proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy -Benjamin Franklin-
  • MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,188 ✭✭✭✭
    All things being equal (and they rarely/ever are), I would take the NGC/CAC coin over the PCGS coin.
    Collector of Large Cents, US Type, and modern pocket change.
  • NewParadigmNewParadigm Posts: 1,322
    I am quite sure that you are looking for an answer and not "what I like better."

    If all things being equal, I would chose the NGC with CAC.
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,799 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If I was given the option of having the SAME COIN in either the PCGS holder or the NGC/CAC holder, I would choose the former.
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  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,487 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The OP has said the coins are similar;
    Both coins are original skin and eye-appealing for the grade with no problems. Also you don't know if the PCGS coin has been submitted or not,
    Even if the price of the PCGS coin is equal to the NGC CAC coin, the PCGS coin stands to CAC and would be worth more.

    The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!

    My Jefferson Nickel Collection

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,817 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>All things being equal (and they rarely/ever are), I would take the NGC/CAC coin over the PCGS coin. >>

    image

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,070 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Similar to RYK, if it was the same coin, but the options were NGC/CAC or PCGS then I would choose the coin in a PCGS holder. The reason is simple; my clients prefer PCGS graded coins and above a certain price level would also like a CAC sticker on the coin. Additionally, it is less expensive to submit a coin to CAC than to PCGS as a crossover and the results are in-hand more quickly, too. Therefore, if I need to increase the price or liquidity of the coin to make my clients happy, it is far easier for me to purchase a PCGS graded coin and ship it to CAC than to purchase an NGC/CAC graded coin and cross it to PCGS followed by submission to CAC.
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    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,290 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>If I was given the option of having the SAME COIN in either the PCGS holder or the NGC/CAC holder, I would choose the former. >>


    Same here. The plastic of an NGC holder is more likely to scuff such that I can't repolish it, while I can get a scuffed PCGS holder looking nice again. The NGC holders also don't fit in my boxes.

    The savvy investor will also want to know such important things as the generation of the slab and whether or not the hologram has any flaking or the gasket has discolored.
    John
    Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,799 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ...I can get a scuffed PCGS holder looking nice again.

    Really, how?
    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
  • TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,854 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Reminds me of that old joke, You have 2 candidates for a job opening, one gal has a high school diploma and 20 years experience, the other just graduated from Vassar with honors, which do you hire? >>



    The one with the biggest boobs...

    8 Reales Madness Collection
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,799 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Reminds me of that old joke, You have 2 candidates for a job opening, one gal has a high school diploma and 20 years experience, the other just graduated from Vassar with honors, which do you hire? >>



    The one with the biggest boobs... >>


    There goes the MJ grenade. image
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  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Duh! PCGS in a heartbeat!
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  • ajmanajman Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭
    Let me be more clear, two different coins, same grade, date and mm and similar in eye appeal. The rest of the op is what I stated. Just wanted to know what others thought of a PCGS coin vs. a NGC/CAC coin. I apologize for any confusion.
    Beer is Proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy -Benjamin Franklin-
  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,199 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It depends on the series and the value. If i agree with the grade, probably the NGC/CAC. If im unsure, probably the PCGS (since it may not have been to CAC).
    Early Dollar Set
  • golfer72golfer72 Posts: 3,588
    I dont know what an "NGC coin" or a" PCGS coin" is.
  • mkman123mkman123 Posts: 6,849 ✭✭✭✭
    I don't choose the holder, I would choose which coin I think looks better or more appealing
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  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,270 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I dont know what an "NGC coin" or a" PCGS coin" is. >>



    Frequently used interchangeably with PCGS graded/holdered coin and NGC graded/holdered coin.
    theknowitalltroll;
  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,893 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>...I can get a scuffed PCGS holder looking nice again.

    Really, how? >>

    Scratches on PCGS holders are more easily removed with plastic polish. Not so with NGC, especially their scratch-resistant holders.

    I'd rather have the same coin at the same grade in PCGS plastic than NGC/CAC. Easy enough to add a CAC sticker to it, if that's important to you.
    Lance.
    Coin Photography Services / Everyman Registry set / BHNC #213
  • tightbudgettightbudget Posts: 7,299 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The one I like more. >>



    This. But if it were the same coin and the question was to choose the better holder combination, I would probably just go with PCGS.
  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,290 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>...I can get a scuffed PCGS holder looking nice again.

    Really, how? >>


    PlastX, a rag, and elbow grease. Older NGC holders have plastic that never looks good, and newer ones are polish-resistant once they scratch.
    John
    Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution
  • BGBG Posts: 1,762 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's funny how post's such as this always bring's out the:


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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,816 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What mingot said.

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  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,572 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Show me the coin and the price. Then I can make a rational decision.

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  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,432 ✭✭✭
    how much are they...image
    every coin purchase has price consideration
    everything in life is but merely on loan to us by our appreciation....lose your appreciation and see


  • mozinmozin Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭
    There are lots of NGC/CAC coins out there that PCGS will not grade at all, and certainly PCGS will not cross at the same grade. I would buy the PCGS coin first, without any reservations. The market supports my choice. I see no reason to talk about all the "exceptions" for NGC coins looking better than the PCGS coins.
    I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.
  • AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭
    Sight unseen? The NGC CAC coin.

    Buying with each coin in hand? Would be case by case.

    Priced over $1000? The NGC CAC coin.
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